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Their own argument is that it ingratiates “Torah-True Judaism” with the Arab world, lessening their hatred of us. And can possibly save Jewish lives down the line. Obviously based on your above comments you disagree.
And as I explained to skiaddict above, they purport to do this by focusing the hatred on those of us who live in Israel, which is the largest Jewish population in the world. Basically, they turn on us to save their own skins. Very noble.
They themselves live in Israel, so that characterization cannot be correct.
“Get out of here you rasha!”
Why the name calling? I understand you disagree, and rightfully so. But is there a reason to call him “rasha”?
IMHO, the NK consists mainly of naive innocent men who truly believe they’re doing the right thing. They feel that by joining arab rallies etc. they’re saving many Jewish lives.
Whether or not that’s true? Look, I never made a poll and asked the arabs if their veiw on Jews has changed or if the NK prevented them from killing Jews. I believe not, but I have no sources.
Also, I don’t think anyone of us has the right to say they’re not part of klal Yisroel. Did any rav say that?
lemony snicket: Rav Kook is pretty controversial. Satmar doesn’t hold of him either, to put it mildly.
“Get out of here you rasha!”
Why the name calling? I understand you disagree, and rightfully so. But is there a reason to call him “rasha”?
Yes, I called him a rasha, because after he told his “inspiring story” about how a NK rodef used his NK creds to save himself from an anti-semitic attack, he glibly told us that if we don’t agree with them, “it is your loss!!”. Which presumably meant that we would be the ones attacked, when we could have saved ourselves by turning against each other.
So I called him a rasha. Yes, suggesting that we turn against each other to save ourselves makes one a rasha. And glibly talking about us getting blown up or stabbed or shot with the line “it is your loss!!”, is quite cruel.
This is making me sick. You are making me sick.
They themselves live in Israel, so that characterization cannot be correct.
Yet, they use it to save themselves from anti-semitic attacks, as skiaddict proudly told us.
Hmmm. I fail to see why I am making you sick. I guess I should apologize. So, I’m sorry.
Maybe I didn’t understand it correctly, but I thought that by saying, “it’s your loss!” he meant that you’re losing out on the idea.
In any case, I’m in no mood for arguing now. IMHO, NK is not doing the right thing by joining the Arabs, and you’re not doing the right thing by name calling.
Good night and good shabbos.
skiaddict’s story only indicated the protagonist calmed down an irate Arab who was railing against Jews. He wasn’t under assault, and didn’t save his own skin. Their goal, however much you disagree with their methodologies, is to save Torah Jews’ lives, not necessarily their own.
Their goal, however much you disagree with their methodologies, is to save Torah Jews’ lives
Oh. “to save torah jews’ lives”?
We only care about saving “torah jews”? And let me guess, the definition of “torah jew” includes agreeing with them?
No, our disagreement is not just about “methodologies”.
Zionists are Euro-liberal and due to their unending struggle to be post-Jewish, will, as in the past, always turn the other cheek (like good Christians) regardless of what NK does or doesn’t do.
So it is absurd to suggest that NK is the cause of Israel’s lack of good PR, and it is further absurd to think that NK are the cause of their using second-choice military responses.
Think about what you’re saying, and you’ll realize it’s ridiculous.
The Zionsts were clearly wrong in charting this course against the majority of the gedolim of the early part of last century, and again, it’s their post-Jewish Euro-imitation that makes them not go in with force. Nothing to do with NK, however wrong as the NK’s methods may be.
I am not pro NK.
just one thing I’ve heard, I believe it was Hirsch who said it.
That Yaakov avinu also took gifts to Eisav…
and hugged and kissed him…
The present band of fools who call themselves Neturei Karta are just a bunch of immature jerks looking for attention. The Monsey ringleader lives off a yerusha and has no life other than running from demonstration to demonstration and occasionally to Iran where he sounds off in his irritating whine.
Reb Amram Bloy ZYA was a yochid segula who truly felt the pain of EY being desecrated by the secular Zionists. His NK was more of an umbrella organization for all Yidden who did not recognize the state. He was of Hungarian origin and davened in a Chassidish minyan; others who believed as he did were descendants of talmidei ha-Gra and their shuls and yeshivas include(d) Masmidim in Y-m.
Ohel Hagar of today’s NK in Y-m, and the Saddle River Road (Monsey) and Alcombe road (London) Islamic centers, have nothing to do with Reb Amram ZYA. He loved Yidden and helped even those who persecuted him for demonstrating against chilul Shabbos. Today’s NK are self-hating Jews, no more and no less than Chumpsky or Uncle Tom Friedman.
These guys are just pains in everyone else’s necks and it is time for them to go back to pre-1a if they think every day is Peerim.
600 Kilo bear; There is one tiny bit of redeeming value (Limud Z’chus) about those disingenuous,dangerous, spotlight-craving, dimwitted bunch of fools calling themselves Neturei Karta. That they are naive. They really think they can fool the arabs. Like R. Amnon Yitzchak told one of them in a (heated) debate. That beside giving legitimacy to their (arabs) murder of Jews, they will one day be hurt themselves by the arabs.
The Arabs won’t waste their time on these fools.
If Weiss did not have a yerusha from his father AH to pay for his foolishness, he would not be able to go to Iran. Ahmadinejad figured out who these clowns are, and that is why the delegation went from six to two recently. Scheiss Weiss probably footed the bill for his fellow traveler as well.
I have other proof that Weiss got a Yerusha from someone. If that weren’t the case, he would have to look for a real job and wouldn’t have the time chasing the spotlight.
It is a mitzvah to say loshon hora on these reshoim.
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