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At a risk of sounding ignorant, what is their purpose and why arethey on the same side as rashaim? What are the hilachos regarding saying loshan hara on them? Why do they hate those living in Eretz Yisroel so much??
They are an extremist outgrowth of the Satmar Shittah on Eretz Yisroel. I don’t know about Lashon Harah, but I heard from a very prominent RY that anyone who gives money to the Iranian government should have the Din of a Rodeph.
They have nothing to do with Satmar. Satmar condemned those loudmouths. In fact this media savy group that calls themselves NK, aren’t even the real NK who are a relatively small group and was started by tzadikim.
I apologize. I did not mean to imply they are associated with Satmar. They are not.
Sam2-All I know about the Satmar shittah on EY is that Rabbi Yoel said that Israel will be given to us yidden from hashem and one should not take the land before. I don’t think though that the NK group has anything to do with Satmar. Please correct if I am wrong.
The original NK are actually Talmidei HaGRA (i.e. Litvish) that came to Eretz Yisroel in the 1800’s. The group that gets all the attention is an offshoot of some of the original members relatives, but aren’t the original group.
The Satmar Rebbe said that, yes, but in much, much stronger terms. Read the Ma’amar Shalosh Shevuos. NK broke off from Satmar because they felt that Satmar was nowhere near extreme enough in their anti-Zionism.
Satmar is against the state/ gov’t…. but their not for the Arabs at all!!
Peacemaker; Wasn’t Reb Moshe Hirsch “Part of the Original Group”?!
As for the NK “Being a Part of Satmar”. That is factually wrong.
metrodriver: No. He is from the offshoot that the original group (R. Amram Blau zt’l) had nothing to do with. The original group (which still stands) was formed in the early 1900’s. NK was a split-off from Agudas Yisroel.
They live in Eretz Yisroel (since the 1800’s). They’re not against it, they’re against the State.
The Satmar Rebbe Escaped from the Nazis and the NK’s went to a Holocaust Denial conference in Iran.
Whatever Satmar’s opinon of them was before, they was excommumicated after that.
Attention seekers! Negative Attention Seekers to be precise. Nothing more and nothing less. Don’t give them the TLC they so strongly crave. And if it’s really bothering you, just tell them “you’re right”! These 2 words take all the air out of their sails! Don’t loose sleep over this, They’re not receiving preferential treatment by the Arabs, most of look less Jewish than them which makes them first target…! Guys, take it easy!
While the original Neturei Karta was founded by talmidei Hagra, a lot of the organization’s members today are ex-Satmar.
I spoke to the Chassidishe Rabbi again
He said the Jews that meet leaders in Iran, follow what Rabbi Yosef Chaim Sonnenfeld and Rabbi Noeh did before 1948, they met the Jordanian King, as the Jordanians wanted the Jewish view on the State.
The 2 Rabbi’s wanted to counter the Zionist’s message to the Jordanian King, which was against the Torah.
The Media in Isreal reported then that the Rabbi’s were antisemitic (just like they do now with the Rabbi’s that go to Iran), the Zionist were to scared to assassinate Rabbbi Sonnefeld and Rabbi Noeh, instead they assassinated Dr DeHahn .
I recently heard a high profile Rabbi in Isreal calling these people mad/ and or wicked, this is wrong.
Rabbi Sonnenfeld was told by a Arab Ruler,
“you are like us, you hate the Zionist’s”. Rabbi Sonnelfeld answered;
“you hate the Zionists because they are Jews, I hate the Zionist’s because they act like non Jews”.
The anti Zionism we see, is pure anti antisemitism, no Jews most support it, however the Jews who go to Iran are saving more Jews life (around the world) they if they would not go.
This is my opinion and my Rebba’s, feel free to hold your own political view, right or left, both is Kosher, depends on the time though.
They daven Nusach Ashkenaz in their shuls.
they are very good people who sincerely do everything lshaim shomaim they do not hate jews and they do not love arabs although lots of ppl claim they do because its more convenient for them. the satmar rebbe actually was even more extreme for anyone who has ever read his seforim, what neturei karta say and do now is totally nothing compared to what he writes what his views are, and the satmar rebbe had tremendous ahavas yisroel and all the gedolim considered him a very holy man and tsadik. if ppl dont understand the good that neturei karta do in defending the honour of Hashem, they should research and go into it because its wrong to just believe the media and ignorant ppl who themselves have zionist leanings…the truth is always the most fought against…
I am going to make a very strong Macho’oh against MichaelC’s post. I don’t care who he quotes. It is factually incorrect and therefore implies that giving money to someone whose express goal is to kill all Jews in Israel is somehow okay.
Was skiaddict always a troll?
No one above implied its okay to give Arabs money.
Shmoel: MichaelC and Skiaddict very much just implied that.
With which comment? I still don’t see that.
However you package it, the facts are that these people give public support to the murderers of our brothers. This support has a tremendously detrimental effect on yidden by changing public opinion (“there are even orthodox Jews who see that Israel is at fault…”). There is no defending that nor is there any justification. They are not part of klal Yisroel in any way. They have separated themselves by publicly siding with those who wish to annihilate us.
It is inexcusable and certainly not “kosher” to defend this evil behavior.
The Neuteri Karta are not welcome in Borough Park, they tried to stay at the Hotel there, but due to protests they were asked to leave
They are not part of Judaism Anymore IMHO. I recently saw some of these nuts in manhattan holding signs and yelling their drivel. I spoke to them thinking I could rationalize with them but it was useless. They were cursing out Rav Kook Z”TZL. There’s no talking sense into someone who’s life is bent on hate. Like arab terrorists, there’s no dialogue with these “people”. They probably even get paid by the iranian government.
They are a cult of hate, nothing more and nothing less.
if you hate neturei karta then you are being quite hypocritical. i somhow have a feeling that you do not personally know anyone from nk and have just based opinions on media and public opinion. i know ppl who are very active in nk and believe me they are the kindest most sincere ppl i know who love their fellow jews and really mean everything they do for the right reasons and they do NOT love the arabs its just an outward show to calm the arabs down, and they have succeeded on a big scale i could tell u lots of stories if you want. they have ddas torah and it is a pure issur min hatorah to hate your fellow jew and that is a fact you cant argue with. so if you dont accept their views then just ignore, and think to yourself if you are doing anything better for Hashems sake!they are not doing it for attention believe me they get such tzoros from it.
and they do NOT love the arabs its just an outward show to calm the arabs down, and they have succeeded on a big scale i could tell u lots of stories if you want.
Please do. Tell us all those stories.
ok il tell u some that i know… a man whos active in nk was in a train station and suddenly a guy starteed screaming at him hey you filthy zionist murderer etc so this man went over to him and told him hey im actually on the way back from some pro palestine conference and he told him about nk well the guy was dead impressed and said sorry i didnt ralize that some jews are also against those bloody zionists and he shook hands and was so nice after. this type of thing happens all the time with nk activists, and they get so many emails from arabs, which i have sseen, all starting- i am a muslim and i hated all jews i thought all of them were evil but i came across your website/saw you on tv/saw you at rallies/attended a rally which you also paarticipated in, and you opened my eyes to see that jews are not necessarily zionists and there are a lot of you who support us and thanx for being a spark of light in this crazy situation with israel, peace onto you… these are real words (from my memory) which i have seen. the arab leaders themselves have told nk how much they appreciate them, and realise the diference between jew and zionist, BASICALLY i cant think of everything off the top of my head but its pretty clear that they are at least lessening anti semitism which we should be grateful for- if anyone knows of them causing anti semitism i would love to hear. its the zionists who are the cause of all anti semitism in the world if not for them the gedolim all said moshiach would alreadyhave come.
a man whos active in nk was in a train station and suddenly a guy starteed screaming at him hey you filthy zionist murderer etc so this man went over to him and told him hey im actually on the way back from some pro palestine conference and he told him about nk well the guy was dead impressed and said sorry i didnt ralize that some jews are also against those bloody zionists and he shook hands and was so nice after.
So basically, this guy figured out a way to save himself in antisemitic situations, by pledging allegiance to the anti semites.
This has happened before. In WWII, we called them the Judenrat.
popa wins
Popa very much wins. Vesu Lo Midi.
popa is a troll
They are extremely against Zionism, so they would rather rub elbows with blood thirsty islamic extremists, than just publicly voice and protest their anti-zionist views w/o chumming it up w/ known Anti-Semites.
So it appears to the public (thanks to the NK) that these terrorists are not anti-semites, merely anti-zionist. Which is obviously a load of garbage. Though the general public is none the wiser.
Not to mention the utterly disgusting kissing up and groveling that NK does for these terrorists is a disgrace to HB”H.
They do not run the world! They never did and never will.
Our safety is not in the islamic fanatics hands.
The NK groveling has not resulted in any less attacks being attempted or carried out on Eretz Yisroel or on it’s religious anti-zionist Jews.
….and name calling is the last refuge of the incompetent debater.
but he meant it for real i dont get what you meaan. anyway it still proves my point. whatever.. whoever wants to see will see if you want to not think, no prob its your loss!!
anyway it still proves my point. whatever.. whoever wants to see will see if you want to not think, no prob its your loss!!
I will happily be killed before I sell out my people to the murderers.
My loss? My loss? Get out of here you rasha!
What are you trying to claim skiaddict? They don’t hate Jews but want all Zionists (which includes every Jew who doesn’t think almost exactly like them) to be killed? Okay, so I guess we agree. If you only define “Jews” as a select few thousand people who hate the Medina almost as much as they do then you are correct, they do not want to harm “Jews”.
Few thousand? Thank God there aren’t that many.
Itche: No, but there are probably a few thousand whom they would consider “Kosher”.
there is a rav yitzchok amnon youtube video that shows how he totally destroys the arguments of a NK follower
The thing is, that the issue is not even when they are right or wrong on the substantive issue of whether there should be a state.
Even if they are right, they are still reshaim gemurim, who aid and abet our enemies in murdering us. Even if it is assur to make a state, it is not yehareg v’al yaavor.
They are a cult. They have made this a spiritual vendetta, and there is no way to reason with them. It is like talking to a Jews for J.
How do they “aid and abet our enemies in murdering us”? I understand they yank people’s chains, but that is quite over the top hyperbole.
How do they “aid and abet our enemies in murdering us”? I understand they yank people’s chains, but that is quite over the top hyperbole.
Much of our struggle is in PR. We would be able to protect ourselves much better if we didn’t have the world on our throat. These reshaim damage us in the worlds eyes’ since it seems that even some of us agree with them.
So yes, they do aid our enemies in murdering us. No, it is not hyperbole.
Yank our chains? You think we’re playing for monopoly money here? You think this is a fun little debate like you did in grade school over whether they should hunt seals in newfoundland? Welcome to the real world.
What are the hilachos regarding saying loshan hara on them?
I’m afraid to ask this, but I’m more noteh they have a din rodef.
How does bad PR = Jewish deaths?
How does bad PR = Jewish deaths?
For example, when we go into gaza to kill the terrorists, the correct way to do it is to go in with overwhelming force. That would not be wrong, or illegal, since they are attacking us. But we don’t, because we are afraid of the worlds opinion.
So our soldiers get killed. And we also can’t do as good of a job, so more of our people get killed in later attacks.
Is this news to you?
Let me rephrase: How does bad PR generated by NK = Jewish deaths?
Let me rephrase: How does bad PR generated by NK = Jewish deaths?
It strengthens the arguments against us, since they can say that even some of our people are against us.
Seriously, why do you think NK does it, if not to make a difference?
I don’t know what you are surprised about.
Seriously, why do you think NK does it, if not to make a difference?
Their own argument is that it ingratiates “Torah-True Judaism” with the Arab world, lessening their hatred of us. And can possibly save Jewish lives down the line. Obviously based on your above comments you disagree.
It strengthens the arguments against us, since they can say that even some of our people are against us.
And, again, how does that (assistance from NK) equal Jewish deaths?
It strengthens the arguments against us, since they can say that even some of our people are against us.
And, again, how does that (assistance from NK) equal Jewish deaths?
I will quote my own words above, since you do not appear to have read them.
For example, when we go into gaza to kill the terrorists, the correct way to do it is to go in with overwhelming force. That would not be wrong, or illegal, since they are attacking us. But we don’t, because we are afraid of the worlds opinion.
So our soldiers get killed. And we also can’t do as good of a job, so more of our people get killed in later attacks.
Is this news to you?
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