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A Boyaner chosid once defined me the Neturei Karta as a bunch of attention seeking people,
that want to be known as rabonim, without being talmidei chachomim.
A Boyaner chosid once defined me the Neturei Karta as a bunch of attention seeking people,
that want to be known as rabonim, without being talmidei chachomim.
I don’t think that’s a very good definition. That applies to plenty of people that I know, and they are not Neturei Karta.
(I think it also applies to people who call themselves Rabbi without any qualitifications.)
All I know is that I wish I could spend Peerim in Antwerp this year. I would like to try the local half-baked fruitcake with loads of nuts (the same way R’ Yehuda Meshi-Zahav tried it in Lizhensk).
TheBearIsBack–Well, you will be very busy here because Antwerp is full of them! Trust me.
Health: For an update: Mr.Friedman’s mother entered a request to remove the youngest children from his custody. She reports that she is aware that the children suffer greatly under his care and that the court remove his parental rights.
So dear Health, no more need for me to defend myself, case closed!
lost in Europe -“Health: For an update: Mr.Friedman’s mother entered a request to remove the youngest children from his custody. She reports that she is aware that the children suffer greatly under his care and that the court remove his parental rights.”
I doubt this will work because she isn’t a parent. But I’m all for this if it could work.
“So dear Health, no more need for me to defend myself, case closed!”
You are so “Lost in Europe” your insinuations about me are Not even close to what I believe in. You think I was attacking you and others for attacking this guy Friedman. You didn’t begin to understand the points in my posts. Here they are in a nutshell:
I really hope for the kids sake that they are removed from their parents. Barring this and even if this guy wins this latest court case, I strongly believe the Yeshivos have to accept his kids -boys to boys’ Yeshivos & girls to Bais Yaacov! Your defense that he is dangerous is No excuse! Whatever danger this guy is to the schools -they can find Legal ways to defend themselves. You keep coming up with these petty excuses that I never even disageed on, eg. “He’s the Mafia, etc”. Your community should start having mercy on these Jewish kids and take them into Yeshivos, no matter who the father is!
What I don’t understand is what the school did wrong by not accepting his kids. Every school is entitled to pick and choose which families and what type of students they allow in. And there is a good reason for many schools not to want his family disrupting their school. (No matter if his kids are great or not!) Where I live schools all the time decide not to allow kids in. Or if they do not believe the family if frum enough for the school. Especially, if this man wants to bring his boys to girl schools and girls to boy schools. It’s the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard of and the schools have every right to refuse their entry. I also do not see how he is winning the court cases.
In Antwerp the law requires any school accepting public funding to not discriminate on basis of gender.
In that case, it is wrong of them (the Yeshivas and Bais Yaakovs) to accept public funding.
Unfortunately many schools in Europe have the alternative of accepting public funding or closing down. A school which accepts public funds may not discriminate on gender nor on other basis, meaning that whoever accepts the school’s outlook and educational program and is willing to pay, can enroll their children. To spell it out, nonjewish children have to be accepted, as well as children from non observant families. Antwerp has a significant haredi community and that’s how they get to have a non-state-funded yeshiva. But the school for girls is within a state framework (in Belgium there are many schools which are private but partially / significally funded by the state). I would imagine the boys will be either expelled from the school if they are disruptive enough, or the tuition won’t be paid and this too would solve the problem, or (this is wishful thinking, but let’s not rule it out) the kids will be positively influenced and after a few weeks the girls’ school will arrange a male tutor for them.
The choice is to accept $15,000 a year per child from the government or to charge parents $15,000 per year, per child.
Is the decision that simple?
superstar -“What I don’t understand is what the school did wrong by not accepting his kids. Every school is entitled to pick and choose which families and what type of students they allow in. And there is a good reason for many schools not to want his family disrupting their school. (No matter if his kids are great or not!) Where I live schools all the time decide not to allow kids in. Or if they do not believe the family if frum enough for the school.”
They can be picky here because there are other Jewish schools to go to. In Belgium, they can only go to public school if the parents don’t want or can’t Home school.
Right. So now I don’t see how the schools can refuse entry to anyone when they get government funds. Has this never happened that they did not want to accept someone and totally refused?
The bais yackov has every right to insist these boys wear the school uniform. if they agree, no reason not to let them in. they may never learn how to read a gemara, but they will be experts in tanach and home economics.
yeshivas dont get complete gov funds like public skool. they get partial stuff like lunch programs etc..
YWN posted an update in this meshugena!
Friedman Loses Court Case Against Belz-Affiliated Yavne Yeshiva in Belgium
The local frum community awaits an appeals court ruling in the first case, with Bnos Yerushalayim seeking to have the first verdict overturned.
I am highly skeptical this is about co-ed schools. It sounds like the schools won’t take his kids since they are mad at his politics, so he has adopted American-style “nuisance litigation” in retaliation. As Belgium has joined a UN treaty that guarantees the right to home school, I’m not sure why he doesn’t home school – though I suspect he is having fund be a gadfly. His kids will probably revolt against their parents and run off and become super-normal yeshivish kids.
Maybe they’ll become Religious Zionists.
akuperma -“As Belgium has joined a UN treaty that guarantees the right to home school, I’m not sure why he doesn’t home school”
He’s not that crazy. Even he wants his kids to turn out somewhat normal – can you imagine the results of his home schooling?!?!
But you’re right he did this for revenge on the Yeshivas/Bais Yaacovs for not accepting his kids.
To stop this madness and great Chillul Hashem – I call on the Rabbonim and the Frum community of Antwerp to take his kids in. So the boys will go to Yeshiva and the girls to Bais Yaacovs.
Stop playing politics with Yiddishe Neshamos! His kids should be in the Right Jewish schools in spite of his politics.
And people are screaming about the Internet that it’s the scourge of our generation.
I got news for you – this case is exactly the case of Kamtza Bar Kamtza. Why are they both blamed for the Churban – obviously one caused it -not the other? The answer is because it doesn’t matter who started the fight -the other should be Mevatter. So here also, it doesn’t matter that Freidman started the fight, the Yeshivos/Bais Yaacovs, the Rabbonim of Antwerp and the whole Frum community should be Mevatter ASAP!
yeshivas dont get complete gov funds like public skool. they get partial stuff like lunch programs etc..
That is only the US, in most of Europe and I think Quebec (NOT Ontario) the government pays yeshivas tutitions
“Even he wants his kids to turn out somewhat normal – can you imagine the results of his home schooling?!?!”
Your right. Forcing his sons into an all girls school and his daughters into an all boys school is the way to ensure they turn out “somewhat normal”.
apushatayid – Read the whole post. I said they should be accepted into the places where they belong. What he’s doing with this switcharoo is to pressure the schools into accepting his kids.
ohhhh not ontario. no way.
apushatayid- I am not saying that I am all for co-ed schools, however, at least they are still being taught by rebbeim, who can understand that (since they are uncomfortable teaching a coed class) that the boys are most likely somewhat uncomfortable as well. Perhaps the bais yaakov can make a deal with the local yeshiva to let the boys join the boys in the yeshiva for at least an hour a day, so that they will be in an environment at least part of the time with other boys as well. Even if they have bochurim from the local Kollel come and teach them Gemara during the halacha classes for the girls, at least some sort of accommodation should be made to acknowledge that they are boys.
In Quebec the government gives some funding but there is still substantial tuition coming out of parents’ pockets.
Health. I read the entire thing. The father is doing nothing to ensure his kids are raised “normally”. he is using his kids as pawns, nothing more, nothing less. The schools are taking out their fear of the father on the kids too. Why is he in belgium to begin with? what is his connection to belgium?
snowbunny. I have no idea what you are saying.
Meaning the bais yaakov should try to find them mentors who will be there for them/ make some efforts to accommodate the whole school since they are boys…
apushatayid -“Health. I read the entire thing. The father is doing nothing to ensure his kids are raised “normally”. he is using his kids as pawns, nothing more, nothing less. The schools are taking out their fear of the father on the kids too. Why is he in belgium to begin with? what is his connection to belgium?”
I don’t know why he’s in Belgium, but perhaps he thought he could get his kids in the schools there.
The part that I said that he wants to raise his kids normally was the fact he wants his kids in Jewish schools. I’m not saying it regarding any other aspect. It’s the so-called “Frum” schools who have denied their entry. This might have been a good idea if by doing this he would just have gone away. But this didn’t happen. What instead happened is that this incident caused one of the biggest Chillul Hashems in recent history. It’s time for this Chillul Hashem to end and let the boys into Yeshivas and girls into Bais Yaacovs. Yes, the schools won’t look too good, but is their Kovod more important than Hashems?!?!
Was there a trial yet?
SB – The boys so far as of today are not being allowed into the girls’ school, but the total appeal will takes months to years.
I hope he loses custody -so his kids will be taken into Yeshivas/Bais Yaacovs.
This is pretty intense.
Shraga18 –
“MAZAL TOV!
Verdict overturned on appeal!”
The appeal is Not over, but right now the Judge said the boys can’t be in the girls’ school.
whoooooooooooooohooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
???? ???!!!!!!
Poor boys, missing out on cooking classes!
How in the world is this guy gonna marry his kids off. They’ll probably go off the derech.. Sooo sad!!!!
The Friedmans have left Antwerp, apparently their latest destination is Manchester.
Oh god another place this is ridiculous!!! This is not the first or second place ge did this
The main Flemish Belgian Jewish news site says the rumors about the Friedmans having left Antwerp are seemingly untrue, as the family was seen walking around antwerp.
Lashon Hora leads us all to a deadly destination.
Snowy bunny I agree the way everyone is speaking is probably a worse thing in shomayim than what was possibly done. A mitzva done unison is a very powerful thing. Same with an aveira. What ever he did or didn’t do it was done beyechidus. This l”h / rechilus is done as a group. Let’s be careful and do the right thing and close this thread.
Whether they are sick minded or whatever the case. It’s not Sth for us to discuss.
We are dealing with human beings not some sort of plague…
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