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Haskafically- What’s the difference between these boys/ men?
{perhaps for shidduch purposes……}
Chofetz Chaim (of Brooklyn) is famed for it’s warmth and kesher to it’s talmidim, and the relation that a rebbi has with his talmud for many years. It focuses on Gemara and Mussar, and less on Chumash/Navi. They are less of the stereotypical Flatbush yeshiva, and more of a yeshiva in it’s “own category”. In Chofetz chaim ,there’s no Sephardi, Ashkenazi, Litvish, Flatbushish, Chassidish, or Heimish in Chofetz Chaim. CC is beyachad. They are a lifestyle, not a yeshiva. Ner Yisroel, on the flip side, is a mixed yeshiva with a very shtark alef shiur, and an OK lower shiur. The better boys often are from one of those yeshivas, but the CC bochur will maintain connection to his Rebbi forever, while as a Ner bochur may or may not.
HaMaiven Ya’aiven.
Hamaivin ya’aiven – are you a chofetz chaim person?
Because then you might be slightly biased
A bit biased. Only because I have experience with both and prefer CC over Ner.
not a CC person and i agree with HaMaivin Yaavin.
Chofetz Chaim boys are the best in the world. They are great Talmidei Chachamim, Yarei Shamayim, kind, charismatic, organized, modest, accomplished, brilliant and do chesed with their families and the world.
I don’t know Ner Yisrael boys, but they are probably a close second.
Torah, I take it you’re married to a Ner boy?
Ner Yisroel is filled with serious bnei torah who are baalei middos, lamdanim, value scholarship and recognize the Torah mandate of being resposnible for supporting a family and klal yisroel. Also Ner Yisroel is part of the broader yeshiva world. Many talmidim also learn in the MIr, Mercaz Hatorah, Toras Moshe, Bais Yosef etc…. Reb Tzvi Berkowitz is one of the biggest talmidei chachomim and meyvinim in the country.
Chofetz Chaim is also a fine yeshiva yet they exist in a bubble as the students are wholly in their system and do not integrate well in other yeshivos.
There are two Ner Israel yeshivos in baltimore, but they share the same building, name, and facilities. But sit on different sides of the beis medrash.
One is mostly for bochurim in their first few years post high school, and these bochurim usually end up in eretz yisroel and then Lakewood.
The other is mostly for bochurim who are returning from yeshivos in eretz yisroel such as Beis Yisroel, and are going to college at night.
So you really need to be specific which Ner Israel you are talking about. You can know which one a boy is in by asking how many years out of high school he is, and whether he is in college.
I’m a CC guy and I completely disagree with this statement: “They are less of the stereotypical Flatbush yeshiva”. In fact, I maintain the opposite is true. It is your prototypical Flatbush Yeshiva. You want a CC guy go to the Beis Medrash in KGH.
PBA: There are really 3 ner israel yeshivos as the high school is a completely autonomously run operation.
maskim with aposhayid- hard core CC is in queens or the out of towny places. brooklyn is like the least CC of them all.
but all the statements about a bochur in CC are true, i have 2 brothers there so i know first hand 🙂
CC & NY are both worldly outside of the realm of Torah. NY is more integrated into the Yeshivish velt while CC is its own ‘sphere’. CC is strongly into Harbotzes Hatorah and elitist in that sense.
There are subcategories in CC depending with which Rebbe the bochur is connected. They are a Mussar Yeshiva and are sincere & real about working on Middos. They do not usually belong to the Machmir Club and can’t fathom the learning of Briskers.
not anonymous does that mean briskers cant fathom the good middos of cc guys?
CC in Brooklyn is world’s apart from queens etc… but are also quite different from Kaminetz, torah Temimah, AND Mir
Hamaiven yasavin
Would you say CC in brooklyn is more like ner israel than like a regular CC?
Hamaivin YaavinL:
I cant figure out what you mean by capitalizing the word AND. Are you stressing that its a chiddish that CC is different than the Mir? Big deal its two different places.
And what do you mean with Hamaiven yasavin? Whats yasavin?
weird.
“Haskafically- What’s the difference between these boys/ men?”
Chofetz Chaim has a central ideology that believes that they have the one right answer to all of the world’s challenges. Ner Yisrael does not have a distinct, singular hashkafa. Thus, what you said, OP, was right on – Chofetz Chaim are boys, Ner Yisrael are men.
I don’t know any Ner guys, but all the CC guys I know are awesome. (My cousins have a habit of marrying them… good taste I call it.)
Jewishness, sorry about the AND and the yasavin…I sent this response out quickly fro my phone.
I agree with writersoul, CC men are awesome.
CC boys are ALSO the shtoltziest bochurim around. I mean, they practically invented the color sock trend. This coolness factor doesn’t slow down their shtarkness and is relatively lmited to Brooklyn, Miami, and WITS.
HMY: I beg to differ as far as the color sock trend, I was recently looking at a goyish magazine with my mom (I’m looking for haircut styles, if anyone has any ideas) and there was a whole holiday gift section for men, with the crowning place given to socks in orange and gray stripes, pink and green polka dots, blue and red zigzags… we were absolutely cracking up.
(Sorry, just suddenly and urgently felt the need to put that out there.)
writersoul: You were looking for haircut styles in a mag? mkay…
I gather that you are male since men socks are usually not found in female mags.
Ribono shel olam
Writer Soul,
Yeah, Yeah , I also saw the Nordstrom Style Guide.
As you may notice, there are many trends amongst the goyim but never “caught on” by the Yiddishe oilam. Socks in various colors have were a goyisha trend for YEARS, and the CC boys have brought it local.
The Maiven Knows (or whatever ‘yasavin’ means)
And writersoul, If you’re a bachur , go for a 3 on the sides, 4 in the iddle, and a good 5-7 chup in the front
If a female, ask the Goq.
Anyone going to the CC dinner tomorrow? I really wanted to go, some very good friends of mine are getting semicha’d. But I’m not.
I’m quite, quite female.
And it was a women’s magazine, with stuff to give “those significant guys in your lives.” (I’m not sure if that’s the exact quote, but it was just as sappy.)
HMY: I mentioned it only because I found it hilarious and it fit in in context with your post. Not to prove you wrong or anything.
Those socks looked mamash ridiculous. Okay, so I wear socks like that all the time, but the thought of them under a business suit or something is just funny.
And whoever asked, I don’t usually look in magazines but I’m getting seriously desperate here- my “lop a couple inches off the bottom” approach is getting kind of sad-looking.
BTW, can you tell that it’s that time of night again?
writersoul: don’t do bangs, they look too cutesy and you want to look more professional and adult if you’re short.
I like side bangs, just long enough to tuck behind your ear when they get annoying.
T613T: Bangs really, REALLY don’t work with my face shape, and they’re a pain in the neck to keep normal-looking. (Which is sad, because I actually like the way they look on some people…) I tried side bangs and while I loved how they looked after the haircut I couldn’t be bothered to keep them looking that way. I have no interest in burning my hair off every day, nor do I have time to.
Whenever I tell the hair stylist what I want (a cute, shortish style that is maintenance free), she just sighs and cuts three inches off the bottom.
Anyway, back to the original thread (there was an original thread?): CC rocks.
Actually, I think my cousin went to Ner for a bit. He also rocks. So yeah.
Glad I could be of such immense help.
WS: Back to the original digression, agreed about bangs.
Happen to love colorful and patterned socks on both genders. Guys do not have many opportunities to show style, so in CC its the ties and socks. Go for it!!!! Just don’t lose them in the washer they are expensive to replace.
bklynmom: What cracks me up about it though is that guys AREN’T really expressing anything, because it’s all covered up. They (and whoever does their laundry) are the only ones who actually know about it. At least when I wear colorful socks, you KNOW I’m wearing colorful socks. It’s sort of like this sense of smugness, like, I’m not fitting into the stodgy businessman/straitlaced yungerman stereotype, I’m ORIGINAL. Because *lowers voice* I’m wearing PINK SOCKS WITH BLUE STARS ON THEM. Just like everyone else.
The socks are very visible when sitting (i.e. learning in the beis).
It’s the coolness and individuality that every bochur needs deep down.
The Maivien wears Cool Socks.
Also, one of the roshei yeshiva of CC Queens, Rabbi A. Grunblatt, his father was niftar yesterday morning. The dinner will be bittersweet as such.
Rabbi Maimon the Maiven.
(possibly a CC Rebbi and/or BM bochur, currently residing in Queens)
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