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September 23, 2014 4:07 pm at 4:07 pm #613739YusselParticipant
I am seeking advice on how not survive a shlepped out R’H davening. The ba’alei tefillah where I daven mean well, but they are not really so good and they Shlep. They feel a compulsion to sing virtually everything using tunes that don’t necessarily fit the words. Their voices are not always up to the demands of leading the tefillos and it feels as if it’s never going to end. There is NO inspiration at this davening, except perhaps an inspiration to run out screaming. Davening is about 5-5.5 hours and I feel as if I am going to lose my mind if I have to go through this again. Yet I have no choice and cannot go to another minyan.
Anybody out there have any advice?
September 23, 2014 6:21 pm at 6:21 pm #1033202DaMosheParticipantWhy can’t you go to another minyan? If the davening just makes you want to scream, then you probably shouldn’t be there.
September 23, 2014 7:55 pm at 7:55 pm #1033203lebidik yankelParticipantI bring seforim along. Last year I read Rav Saadya Geon’s Emunos Vdeos on Tshuvah – it sounds like it would be heavy reading but No, it was fascinating. Its not much – he is very sparing of words, but thats the beauty – you read a thought, then turn it over in your mind as the Chazzan sings and everyone is happy.
Some other candidates are the Rambam on Tshuva, the Beis Hashem of the Mabit on tshuva and so on.
September 23, 2014 8:25 pm at 8:25 pm #1033204baruchderrinParticipantouch, i would try to find a makom that you feel suits you better, if its at all possible with whatever your circumstances are
September 23, 2014 8:39 pm at 8:39 pm #1033205Francorachel3ParticipantI have had a similar problem with the Myssaf in my Shul….speak to the Rov and be honest about your feelings!
September 23, 2014 8:50 pm at 8:50 pm #1033206EnderParticipantI second lebidik yankel. Find a sefer that is on your level that you think you will be able to learn from for a long period of time and just keep it by your side. All the best, and have a great davening.
September 23, 2014 8:53 pm at 8:53 pm #1033207orange u gladParticipantfinish the sefer tehillim during the chazara
September 23, 2014 10:06 pm at 10:06 pm #1033208mobicoParticipantPerfect time for Daf Yomi.
September 24, 2014 12:08 am at 12:08 am #1033209JosephParticipantWhat compels you to remain in your current shul?
A 5 hour service is hardly that long. Many shuls are notably longer. We’re you expecting to be in and out in three hours??
And R”H davening isn’t intended to be a concert…
September 24, 2014 1:48 am at 1:48 am #1033210DaMosheParticipantLearning, saying tehillim, etc are great in the right time, but during davening on R”H is not the right time! He needs to go to a shul where he’ll be able to concentrate on the davening, not use something else to distract himself!
September 24, 2014 2:08 am at 2:08 am #1033211YusselParticipantLior:
You are right, it’s NOT supposed to be a concert. THAT is the problem. If they just did the chazaras hashatz without all the schmaltzy singing, I would be much happier.
For reasons I don’t care to share here, I cannot daven in another shul.
September 24, 2014 3:48 am at 3:48 am #1033212heshyEmesParticipantAs talking is not allowed until after all the T’kiyos; I usually have some Shailos & Tshuvos seforim with me. Lots of variety & very enjoyable. Igros Moshe, Briziner Rov, Suchutsuv, Debricen, etc. Or books on Business Ethics, Ribis, or anything that you don’t have a chance all year round. I’m actually upset that my shul finishes around 1:00.
September 24, 2014 4:22 am at 4:22 am #1033213JosephParticipantWhat’s the heter that some yeshivos (and shuls) employ to give a kiddush before tekias?
September 24, 2014 9:31 am at 9:31 am #1033214takahmamashParticipantA 5 hour service is hardly that long. Many shuls are notably longer. We’re you expecting to be in and out in three hours??
It’s not a race, but we finish in about 4 hours – 0700 to about 1100. And yes, 5 hours can be long if the davening is shlepped out for no reason – long mi shebeirachs, chazanut that goes on and on without end, a rav that falls in love with the sound of his own voice and drehs on for 45 minutes or an hour . . . I’ve been there and done that. I feel your pain, Yussel.
September 24, 2014 11:55 am at 11:55 am #1033215LeyzerParticipantI take along Kerem Hatzevi al Hamoadim (by Rav Z H Ferber) with me. A great Sefer with great Drush.
In my yeshiva days I used to peruse Yalkut Lekach Tov, but it was quite heavy Litvish Mussar and just made me feel depressed.
September 28, 2014 1:18 am at 1:18 am #1033216funnyboneParticipantI like to look through the translation/notes from a machzor. I’m comfortable with both Artscroll and Machzor Hameforash.
I have at times left shul to take a short walk.
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