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  • #593054
    rebbitzen
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    is there such a concept of being called a rasha if you drop your nails on the floor? like if you just peel em, and drop them?

    #710963
    popa_bar_abba
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    A rasha? I doubt it. Must everything you aren’t supposed to do make you a rasha?

    #710964
    Helpful
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    You can C”V cause a miscarriage by a pregnant women if you do so and she steps on it.

    #710965
    deiyezooger
    Member

    you gotta be very caeful, it belongs in the bathroom flushed, there is no good luck if you leave it on the floor or unattended.

    #710966
    HaLeiVi
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    Yes, because it is bad to others.

    #710967
    mdd
    Member

    Rebbitzen and popa-bar-abba, it is a befeyrushe gemora in Moed Koton 18A: somebody who just throws the nails down is a rasha( for thwe reason mentioned by Helpful).

    #710969
    so right
    Member

    The Gemorah (Moed Katan 18a; Niddah 17a) tells us that “the righteous burn their nails, the pious bury them, and the wicked carelessly discard them.”

    The Gemorah explains that nail clippings must be carefully disposed of lest a pregnant woman pass over them and miscarry.

    See Mishnah Berurah in OC 260:1:6 or 260:6, Mogen Avraham beginning of Siman 260, Be’er Heitev 260:2, Rivevos Ephtraim Vol. 8 Siman 88:1, Likutei MaHarich Seder hanhagos Erev Shabbos Dibur hamaschil V’Ayin B’Rama.

    Based on the above it would be prudent for a pregnant woman to avoid a nail salon.

    #710970
    oomis
    Participant

    There is a belief that cut nails can cause a miscarriage in a pregnant woman who steps on them. I don’t know if this is a genuinely-based mesorah, or a bubbah meisa, but you ARE supposed to flush them down the toilet and do negel vasser after you cut them. So the answer would be, if throwing nails on the floor could potentially cause a miscarriage, yes it would be the act of a rasha who cares nothing for others.

    #710971
    YW Moderator-42
    Moderator

    like if you just peel em, and drop them

    If I recall correctly, the miscarriage problem is only by nails that were cut normally. I don’t think that one is considered a rasha if they drop peeled or bitten nails

    #710972
    mdd
    Member

    YW Mod, I think the gemora includes the bitten nails. Double-check,please.

    #710973
    YW Moderator-42
    Moderator

    This is just a recollection I had. Don’t take my word for it, look into it if you are worried.

    #710974
    umm
    Member

    I heard it’s only a sakana if you step on the nail from the opposite gender. i.e. if a woman steps on a man’s nail or a man steps on a woman’s nail. (I heard this in seminary, when we were only girls living in the dorm, and a girl asked a teacher about it)

    #710976
    so right
    Member

    The Chazon Ish was extremely makpid on this inyan.

    No one wants to miscarry C”V.

    #710978
    yitayningwut
    Participant

    The gemara that is the source for this (Moed Katan 18a) specifically says that if they are dropped on the floor and then moved or swept to another place they lose the power to cause problems. The only time they can cause a miscarriage according to the gemara is when you cut or bite off your nail, drop it on the floor, and it stays there.

    #710979
    HaLeiVi
    Participant

    Mod, The Gemara mentions it as a difference but knocks it off saying that regardless, you must be carefull.

    #710980
    mdd
    Member

    One of the Rishonim there says that it has to be moved to a different room to stop being a problem.

    #710981
    WolfishMusings
    Participant

    Boy, I must *really* be wicked. One day I was hammering together two pieces of wood while standing on a ladder. I had a box of nails on the top step of the ladder and accidentally knocked them off and onto the floor. Although, to be fair, I did pick them up afterward. 🙂

    The Wolf

    #710983

    So if it were a bochurim dirah in Israel [no chance of a pregnant woman passing through] shouldn’t it be permitted to drop the nails on the floor, since nobody can possibly get harmed?

    #710984
    Y.W. Editor
    Keymaster

    FYI: The halacha clearly states that “you don’t need to be careful in a bais medrash – since woman don’t come into it” – unless it’s a shul that has a “Rabba” of course, and in that case the halacha was wrong all those years, and Rabbi Avi Weiss was right….

    Happy birthday, and kisiva vachasima tova….

    #710986
    frumladygit
    Member

    Rebbetzin: Who “Peels and drops” nails? LOL Sounds like orange peels. Yes you are not suppose to dispose of them any other way except for in a manner in which they are sure never to come in contact with another human. Which is why burning them or flushing are most usual manner people dispose of them.

    There is actually something dangerous to stepping on a finger nail, lying in its’ exact location on the floor where it originally fell. In other words, if you clip your nails but think you saw one flying and don’t know where, you should give a quick sweep to the floor area in order to mix up where it may have fell and that way if you do step on it….

    #710990
    rebbitzen
    Member

    uh oh..i guess i’m a rasha! what do i do?

    #710991
    mosherose
    Member

    “I had a box of nails on the top step of the ladder and accidentally knocked them off and onto the floor. “

    Since mdd alredy showed that someone who throws his nails on the floor is a rasha why are you boasting about it?

    #710992
    WolfishMusings
    Participant

    Since mdd alredy showed that someone who throws his nails on the floor is a rasha why are you boasting about it?

    You might want to go back and read both the OP and my post again. Do that, comprehend both posts, and then decide if you want to really want to call me wicked on this account.

    The Wolf

    #710994
    haifagirl
    Participant

    Since mdd alredy showed that someone who throws his nails on the floor is a rasha why are you boasting about it?

    Some people don’t seem to have a sense of humor.

    #710996
    Ferd
    Participant

    There is no lashon hara about someone who is trying to reform Judaism.

    Avi Weiss is a Reformed Rabbi. In fact he’s far worse.

    He want’s people to think that his new warped mehalech is Orthodoxy. That is alot worse and far more dangerous than someone who preaches that they are reformed.

    Is is a kofer, and is not a maamin in the yud gimel ikrim.

    The gedolim have already condemned his disgraceful actions. Are they baalei lashon hara too?

    Is rav dovid feinstein a baal lashon hara?

    #710997
    rebbitzen
    Member

    um..could we get back to what i should do?

    #710999
    HaLeiVi
    Participant

    Simple. Don’t be a Rasha.

    #711000
    Pashuteh Yid
    Member

    I have always wondered whether this inyan of the nails causing a miscarriage is a simple sakanah, i.e., the woman may be sharply pierced and jump or become startled or suddenly frightened; or whether it is a kabbalistic reason that has nothing to do with a natural danger.

    As far as the first possibility, I believe the gemara has a story about a woman who miscarried when she heard a dog bark.

    #711001
    mw13
    Participant

    rebbitzen:

    “um..could we get back to what i should do?”

    Either throw your nails in the garbage, flush them down the sink, or you can just move them after they hit the ground.

    #711003
    HaLeiVi
    Participant

    Reb PashutaYid, the Gemara in Nida brings this in a context of other Ruach Ra Inyonim.

    #711004
    rebbitzen
    Member

    i know..but am i already a rasha for good? can i get rid of the title…

    #711005
    deiyezooger
    Member

    Nobody is a rasha for doing things they didn’t know and nobody is a rasha for good. You stop the bad behavior and you are alright.

    #711006
    so right
    Member

    Of course. Anyone can do teshuva. Simply stop doing the aveira and dispose of the nails properly.

    BTW, the proper way to dispose of nails is either to burn them or bury them.

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