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May 1, 2014 2:36 am at 2:36 am #612671pixelateMember
So, one night, I went to sleep. And the sleep was so deep that I went to heaven. It was more than a dream. It was so sublime that I didn’t want to come back. I saw angels, and and more colors that we have on earth, and I saw things going on in the world. Then I read that many other people had the same thing happen to them.
May 1, 2014 2:53 am at 2:53 am #1028669popa_bar_abbaParticipantBig deal. I do that while I’m awake.
Especially after eating my wife’s “special” cookies.
May 1, 2014 3:00 am at 3:00 am #1028670To be or not to beMemberEvery Shabbos after the cholent
May 1, 2014 4:06 am at 4:06 am #1028671Little FroggieMemberDr. Middos says it’s very consistent with the symptoms of someone who just used the anti invisible spray. Not to worry.
May 1, 2014 3:51 pm at 3:51 pm #1028673DaMosheParticipantMods, no problem. You’re right, I probably should not have put that one in.
May 1, 2014 7:09 pm at 7:09 pm #1028675Little FroggieMemberMods, a bit too gory for us queasy, feeble minded people, wouldn’t you think? I shudder to think was WAS removed!
May 1, 2014 8:40 pm at 8:40 pm #1028676To be or not to beMemberAnyone have a near-life experience?
May 1, 2014 9:48 pm at 9:48 pm #1028677VogueMemberBabies who are miscarriages are near life experiences. Abortions are near life experiences. What are you trying to get at?
May 1, 2014 10:24 pm at 10:24 pm #1028678davidsamual14MemberObviously there is a reason for NDEs as there is a reason for everything. We don’t know Hashem’s ways.
May 1, 2014 11:12 pm at 11:12 pm #1028679smile4lifeParticipantI am very interested in these types of experiences, and regardless of the cynical comments people are making, this happens to be a real thing. People have all sorts of out of body experiences (OBE’s) and they are usually real. A person can even induce himself to have such an experience while he’s awake with enough practice, and some people have a disposition for these things that they don’t need much practice at all. There is a lot of information about this stuff online and it may be worth your while to read about it.
May 2, 2014 1:36 am at 1:36 am #1028680👑RebYidd23ParticipantI’ve had an actual life experience! Smile4life, are you suggesting use of the Internet? Chas v’shalom!
May 2, 2014 2:58 am at 2:58 am #1028681HaLeiViParticipantAn Out Of Internet Experience.
May 2, 2014 4:00 am at 4:00 am #1028682HealthParticipantsmile4life -“I am very interested in these types of experiences”
Why? I had a near-death experience, but I don’t remember it. Most people don’t. I think those that are interested in this is because they lack Emmunah.
May 2, 2014 3:26 pm at 3:26 pm #1028683🐵 ⌨ GamanitParticipantI had a near-death experience http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/get-those-drunk-drivers-off-the-road
May 2, 2014 3:53 pm at 3:53 pm #1028684thechoiceismineMemberWhat does interest in these things have to do with a lack of emuna?
May 2, 2014 4:49 pm at 4:49 pm #1028685smile4lifeParticipantOut of body experiences are real things just like anything else and I’m not sure what it has to do with a lack of emunah. People that experience these things know that it’s real and to argue about it is like arguing about whether or not people exist. I’m not suggesting that if you don’t believe in this stuff that you’re a kofer or anything or that I wouldn’t believe in Hashem unless this stuff happened, but it just happens to be a fact of life like anything else.
May 2, 2014 5:21 pm at 5:21 pm #1028686oyyoyyoyParticipantso sorry, i know your probably going nuts right now but i dont buy it either. ive had some pretty psychedelic dreams to…maaaan
May 2, 2014 5:32 pm at 5:32 pm #1028687To be or not to beMemberLsd would do that to you
May 2, 2014 5:44 pm at 5:44 pm #1028688oyyoyyoyParticipant……………………………….whhhaaaattt???
May 2, 2014 5:50 pm at 5:50 pm #1028689pixelateMembersmile4life- regardless of the cynical comments people are making, this happens to be a real thing. People have all sorts of out of body experiences (OBE’s) and they are usually real
So how do you explain the myriads of stories including the bestseller, “Heaven is for real,” of people saying they met jesus, and ‘god the father’ etc
thechoiceismine- What does interest in these things have to do with a lack of emuna?
They say if your emuna is solid, you don’t need reaffirmation of the soul. dunno if you cannot be interested in these things.
May 2, 2014 6:25 pm at 6:25 pm #1028690To be or not to beMember“A psychedelic substance is a psychoactive drug whose primary action is to alter cognition and perception” namely, a drug like lsd, would lead to psychedelic dreams ( from Wikipedia)”Lysergic acid diethylamide, abbreviated LSD or LSD-25, also known as lysergide (INN) and colloquially as acid, is a semisynthetic PSYCHEDELIC drug of the ergoline family”
May 2, 2014 6:56 pm at 6:56 pm #1028691lovebeingjewishParticipantEveryone has NDE’s when they go to sleep. Sleep =1/60th of death..
May 2, 2014 7:48 pm at 7:48 pm #1028692pixelateMemberlovebeingjewish- one second is not near a minute
May 4, 2014 4:30 am at 4:30 am #1028694davidsamual14Memberpixelate, you wrote about the book Heaven is for Real where the author states he saw JC. I haven’t read the book. Did the person on the other side actually say he is JC? The Zohar tells us that we meet Adam (Hadam HaRishon) when we go to the other side (see Cave of Machpela). The author might believe it is JC when it could have been Adam.
Moses was on the other side and so were all our Sages, otherwise they wouldn’t be able to bring Torah knowledge and interpretations to the World of Lies we live in. Even the Lubavitcher Rebbe was there and he talked about it freely.
I think that the reason that OBEs and NDEs are happening so frequently now is because we are nearing a time when the knowledge of G-d will fill the earth and this is one of Hashem’s ways of doing this.
The other side is mentioned not only in the Torah (Ezekiel is one), but also throughout the commentaries time and time again.
May 4, 2014 5:01 am at 5:01 am #1028695HaLeiViParticipantHow do you say ‘other side’ in Aramaic?
May 4, 2014 5:22 am at 5:22 am #1028696davidsamual14MemberThe Garden of Eden. Does that not appear in the Torah?
May 4, 2014 5:44 am at 5:44 am #1028697pixelateMemberdavidsamual14-
Dunno. never read the book.
I think that the reason that OBEs and NDEs are happening so frequently now is because we are nearing a time when the knowledge of G-d will fill the earth and this is one of Hashem’s ways of doing this.
eh. silly conjecture.
Even the Lubavitcher Rebbe was there and he talked about it freely.
Where did you read this?
May 4, 2014 1:27 pm at 1:27 pm #1028698To be or not to beMemberHaLeiVi: sitra achra?
May 4, 2014 2:38 pm at 2:38 pm #1028699davidsamual14MemberFrom a letter by the Rebbe
May 4, 2014 2:59 pm at 2:59 pm #1028700To be or not to beMemberWhich rebbe?
May 4, 2014 3:28 pm at 3:28 pm #1028701HaLeiViParticipantTo Be, that’s what I meant.
May 4, 2014 3:40 pm at 3:40 pm #1028702davidsamual14MemberThe Lubavitcher Rebbe and no, I am not Lubavitch and can give you dozens of examples:
“Before the world of truth can come, the world of lies must disappear” – Rabbi Avraham Yitzchak Kook
Moses and all our Sages saw The World of Truth. Otherwise they would not have had such vast knowledge. Let me know if you want more proof.
May 4, 2014 4:20 pm at 4:20 pm #1028703davidsamual14MemberI also want to add that this is the reason many of our gedollim stressed character refinement. In the words of Rabbi Chaim Vital, “A good character is the primary requisite to fulfilling the 613 mitzvot…Therefore manifesting a faulty character is much more serious than transgressing a command…One must be more heedful of evil emotions than of observing the positive and negative commandments.” (Letter of the Ages, Mesorah)
The goal of our mitzvot are to rectify our character like David Hamelech did.
May 4, 2014 5:24 pm at 5:24 pm #1028704pixelateMemberdavidsamual- Even the Lubavitcher Rebbe was there and he talked about it freely.
Where did the Lubavitcher Rebbe say he was ‘there’? (source?)
May 4, 2014 6:03 pm at 6:03 pm #1028705smile4lifeParticipantPixelate –
Like I said, believing in these things does not reinforce my belief in G-d and it does not say anything about emunah. According to your logic believing in anything supernatural is showing a lack of emunah.
Also, there’s obviously no way to judge or explain people’s supernatural experiences. Like Davidsamuel14 said, who knows who they really saw. Also, Hashem could make people see anything, and maybe that’s what they needed to see. We have no idea what goes on in the other world and based on what people claim they saw, it is so unfathomable for our minds to grasp that it’s not worth trying to understand.
May 4, 2014 8:57 pm at 8:57 pm #1028706yytzParticipantCheck out the book Soul Searching: Seeking scientific ground for the Jewish tradition of an afterlife by R’ Yaacov Astor. It reviews the (sort of) scientific evidence for the afterlife (including NDEs and reincarnation) and shows that they parallel Jewish teachings very closely.
May 4, 2014 9:02 pm at 9:02 pm #1028707yytzParticipantSmile4life: On that topic, I know one Xian who told me she had a vision of Yoshka and said she probably saw him because that’s the religion she was raised in. So even believers will admit they’re not really sure who it was they saw.
People see all kinds of things, and it’s hard to know what’s real. Interestingly, in one Israeli NDE (there’s a video online about it), the Ben Ish Chai featured prominently as the man’s advocate in the heavenly court. The man (who seemed to be Ashkenazi) now has a picture of the Ben Ish Chai on his wall.
May 4, 2014 10:33 pm at 10:33 pm #1028708davidsamual14Memberpixelate, neither the Lubavitcher Rebbe nor Rabbi Kook would be able to say the things they did if they hadn’t seen it. How would they know?
Soul Searching is a great book and the works of Rabbi Aryeh Kaplan are also good.
May 5, 2014 1:20 am at 1:20 am #1028709pixelateMemberAs far as those people who claim they saw something that proves their religion, They did a survey and found that people who had OBEs and NDEs did not switch religions. They just became more religious in whatever religion they were born into.
There are different levels of OBEs, but one thing all these researchers on astral projection is that
If you are in a bad mood, you will have a scary experience. If you’re in a good mood, it will be a happy one. If you see something scary, think of something pleasant, it will go away. If you believe in demons, there may be demons.
Bottom line, although the frame is real, your mind does create things. Its sort of like Inception.
At least that’s the way I understand it.
May 5, 2014 2:34 pm at 2:34 pm #1028711davidsamual14MemberNot everything said is true although the Torah does say that in the way one goes, he is lead. The Zohar, although, does verify some of the original research done by Raymond Moody.
May 5, 2014 4:14 pm at 4:14 pm #1028712HaLeiViParticipantYour description is actually not a typical OBE. You were describing an abnormal dream. It is possible to get an abnormal dream. The Gemara implies that even when the dream is not from your own imagination, your imagination gets in the way. There is, however, a concept of a lucid dream. As the Ohr Hachaim Hakadosh explains, when you are aware of it being a dream, during the dream, then it is clearly a message.
Now this is separate from the experience of the clinically dead who have experienced life after death. The reason they don’t change religion is because the experience merely shows them that there is a soul.
People were able to relate facts that they couldn’t have known otherwise, and the self awareness was stronger than our waking hours.
August 19, 2014 1:44 am at 1:44 am #1028715To be or not to beMemberI was at a levaya , does that count?
August 19, 2014 2:10 am at 2:10 am #1028716☕️coffee addictParticipant2b,
that was a near bump experience
and anyways how close to the body were you? (I probably wouldn’t call that near)
August 19, 2014 2:14 am at 2:14 am #1028717To be or not to beMembernot to close I stay towards the back
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