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So, one night, I went to sleep. And the sleep was so deep that I went to heaven. It was more than a dream. It was so sublime that I didn’t want to come back. I saw angels, and and more colors that we have on earth, and I saw things going on in the world. Then I read that many other people had the same thing happen to them.
Big deal. I do that while I’m awake.
Especially after eating my wife’s “special” cookies.
Every Shabbos after the cholent
Dr. Middos says it’s very consistent with the symptoms of someone who just used the anti invisible spray. Not to worry.
Mods, no problem. You’re right, I probably should not have put that one in.
Mods, a bit too gory for us queasy, feeble minded people, wouldn’t you think? I shudder to think was WAS removed!
Anyone have a near-life experience?
Babies who are miscarriages are near life experiences. Abortions are near life experiences. What are you trying to get at?
Obviously there is a reason for NDEs as there is a reason for everything. We don’t know Hashem’s ways.
I am very interested in these types of experiences, and regardless of the cynical comments people are making, this happens to be a real thing. People have all sorts of out of body experiences (OBE’s) and they are usually real. A person can even induce himself to have such an experience while he’s awake with enough practice, and some people have a disposition for these things that they don’t need much practice at all. There is a lot of information about this stuff online and it may be worth your while to read about it.
I’ve had an actual life experience! Smile4life, are you suggesting use of the Internet? Chas v’shalom!
An Out Of Internet Experience.
smile4life -“I am very interested in these types of experiences”
Why? I had a near-death experience, but I don’t remember it. Most people don’t. I think those that are interested in this is because they lack Emmunah.
I had a near-death experience http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/get-those-drunk-drivers-off-the-road
What does interest in these things have to do with a lack of emuna?
Out of body experiences are real things just like anything else and I’m not sure what it has to do with a lack of emunah. People that experience these things know that it’s real and to argue about it is like arguing about whether or not people exist. I’m not suggesting that if you don’t believe in this stuff that you’re a kofer or anything or that I wouldn’t believe in Hashem unless this stuff happened, but it just happens to be a fact of life like anything else.
so sorry, i know your probably going nuts right now but i dont buy it either. ive had some pretty psychedelic dreams to…maaaan
Lsd would do that to you
……………………………….whhhaaaattt???
“A psychedelic substance is a psychoactive drug whose primary action is to alter cognition and perception” namely, a drug like lsd, would lead to psychedelic dreams ( from Wikipedia)”Lysergic acid diethylamide, abbreviated LSD or LSD-25, also known as lysergide (INN) and colloquially as acid, is a semisynthetic PSYCHEDELIC drug of the ergoline family”
Everyone has NDE’s when they go to sleep. Sleep =1/60th of death..
pixelate, you wrote about the book Heaven is for Real where the author states he saw JC. I haven’t read the book. Did the person on the other side actually say he is JC? The Zohar tells us that we meet Adam (Hadam HaRishon) when we go to the other side (see Cave of Machpela). The author might believe it is JC when it could have been Adam.
Moses was on the other side and so were all our Sages, otherwise they wouldn’t be able to bring Torah knowledge and interpretations to the World of Lies we live in. Even the Lubavitcher Rebbe was there and he talked about it freely.
I think that the reason that OBEs and NDEs are happening so frequently now is because we are nearing a time when the knowledge of G-d will fill the earth and this is one of Hashem’s ways of doing this.
The other side is mentioned not only in the Torah (Ezekiel is one), but also throughout the commentaries time and time again.
How do you say ‘other side’ in Aramaic?
The Garden of Eden. Does that not appear in the Torah?
HaLeiVi: sitra achra?
From a letter by the Rebbe
Which rebbe?
To Be, that’s what I meant.
The Lubavitcher Rebbe and no, I am not Lubavitch and can give you dozens of examples:
“Before the world of truth can come, the world of lies must disappear” – Rabbi Avraham Yitzchak Kook
Moses and all our Sages saw The World of Truth. Otherwise they would not have had such vast knowledge. Let me know if you want more proof.
I also want to add that this is the reason many of our gedollim stressed character refinement. In the words of Rabbi Chaim Vital, “A good character is the primary requisite to fulfilling the 613 mitzvot…Therefore manifesting a faulty character is much more serious than transgressing a command…One must be more heedful of evil emotions than of observing the positive and negative commandments.” (Letter of the Ages, Mesorah)
The goal of our mitzvot are to rectify our character like David Hamelech did.
Pixelate –
Like I said, believing in these things does not reinforce my belief in G-d and it does not say anything about emunah. According to your logic believing in anything supernatural is showing a lack of emunah.
Also, there’s obviously no way to judge or explain people’s supernatural experiences. Like Davidsamuel14 said, who knows who they really saw. Also, Hashem could make people see anything, and maybe that’s what they needed to see. We have no idea what goes on in the other world and based on what people claim they saw, it is so unfathomable for our minds to grasp that it’s not worth trying to understand.
Check out the book Soul Searching: Seeking scientific ground for the Jewish tradition of an afterlife by R’ Yaacov Astor. It reviews the (sort of) scientific evidence for the afterlife (including NDEs and reincarnation) and shows that they parallel Jewish teachings very closely.
Smile4life: On that topic, I know one Xian who told me she had a vision of Yoshka and said she probably saw him because that’s the religion she was raised in. So even believers will admit they’re not really sure who it was they saw.
People see all kinds of things, and it’s hard to know what’s real. Interestingly, in one Israeli NDE (there’s a video online about it), the Ben Ish Chai featured prominently as the man’s advocate in the heavenly court. The man (who seemed to be Ashkenazi) now has a picture of the Ben Ish Chai on his wall.
pixelate, neither the Lubavitcher Rebbe nor Rabbi Kook would be able to say the things they did if they hadn’t seen it. How would they know?
Soul Searching is a great book and the works of Rabbi Aryeh Kaplan are also good.
Not everything said is true although the Torah does say that in the way one goes, he is lead. The Zohar, although, does verify some of the original research done by Raymond Moody.
Your description is actually not a typical OBE. You were describing an abnormal dream. It is possible to get an abnormal dream. The Gemara implies that even when the dream is not from your own imagination, your imagination gets in the way. There is, however, a concept of a lucid dream. As the Ohr Hachaim Hakadosh explains, when you are aware of it being a dream, during the dream, then it is clearly a message.
Now this is separate from the experience of the clinically dead who have experienced life after death. The reason they don’t change religion is because the experience merely shows them that there is a soul.
People were able to relate facts that they couldn’t have known otherwise, and the self awareness was stronger than our waking hours.
I was at a levaya , does that count?
2b,
that was a near bump experience
and anyways how close to the body were you? (I probably wouldn’t call that near)
not to close I stay towards the back
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