Modern Orthodoxy, Chassidus, and the Rambam

‘ a modern orthodox person must dress like the goyim (they are after all “most people”) and speak like a goy.’

Please cite the posek where it is asur to use correct grammar and vocabulary.

Also, black fedoras, white dress shirts, and suits are certainly goyish dress.

“Charlie, are you saying that there are no Yeshivish Roshei Yeshiva that hadn’t gone to University? I do remember some very prominent RY with college educations. “

Not at all! For example, Rabbi Avigdor Miller z’tz’l went to YU. So did Rabbi Daniel Greer. Rav Hutner z’tz’l took classes at the University of Berlin (where he became close to Rov Soloveitchik). There are others.

There are also examples of Chasidic Rebbes with university education including many of the members of the Twersky/Twerski families. (The different lines spell their names differently in English.) And of course the Lubavicher Rebbe earned an engineering degree in France.

I guess my distinction is that even many of the university-educated yeshivish rabbis generally downplay (or, in the case of R’Miller, actively discourage) university education. Like many generalizations, it is imperfect and should be accepted with caution.

I think that the real truth is that all Orthodox rabbis — and in fact all Orthodox paths — put Torah first. And while we agree on 99% of the Torah, there are some important differences, including the desirability of a Jewish state, the degree to which secular education is to be encouraged, the degree to which Torah opportunies in particular advanced education should be open to women, and the degree to which we should attempt to coerce mitzvah observance. Many if not most of these are public policy issues, not halachic issues.

i certainly didnt say or imply “all” modes

the chareidim shitah is that chumros arent “unecessary”

i wasnt aware that MO are machmir on many things that chareidim arent, thanks for pointing that out

and of course dave hirsch is correct