Modern Music…..prohibited?

Obviously you are a subscriber to consumerism, and will or won’t buy whatever suits your tastes.

Are you in favor of importing ANY/ALL gentile music into our midst?

If you are talking about Beethoven, I say profiter de votre musique. If you are talking about Rock or these new age garbage, I’d say see a doctor.

Rabbiofberlin-I’m sorry to say that concerts are very dangerous in a spiritual way. Yes the singer can be very frum and singing beautiful songs but it is still wrong because it is a Moshav Leitzim. It is so goyish and what happens before and after (and during) with the mingling is absolutly disgusting even if there are seperate seating.

You say that “these so-called Guardians of Yiddishkeit are trying to govern every aspect of my life” Guess what that is what Yiddishkeit is. Did you ever read the Shulchan Aruch? It tells you exactly what to do and how to do it. That is why Yiddishkeit is so special, it tells you exactly how to live your life and doesn’t let you live by your taavos like every goy on the steet. Do you think it is restrictive? No way! the Goyim are restricted by their taavos. I don’t know about you but I am very proud and happy that the Gedolim are ruling every aspect of our life. May they continue to do their work!

My Rosh HaYeshiva ZT”L would agree with the sentiment, but not with the cherem. This will soon go the way of Stam Shamnam and other decrees with nice ideas but not enough realistic ability to keep.

totaly agreeing with you. Kudos for you for getting up and saying it, and YWN for posting it

postsemgirl,

I hope rabbiofberlin responds to you separately, in any case, I must. I feel sorry for you. You apparently are claiming to have read the Shulchan Aruch and since you make such claim, I won’t doubt it. What you apparently have not read is the Rishonim and Geonim who preceded the shulchan aruch, the gemarah that preceded them, and the poskim who came after them. You have not read the Rama who often disagrees with the shulchan aruch. You have not read any shuttim which discuss a myriad of issues that did not exist in the Mechaber’s time, and they argue with each other, mutar-assur, what we call the living Torah. You are unaware of different holy minhagim of different communities, differences between sefardim, teimanim, misnagdim and chassidim and others. You essentially are unaware that the Shulchan Aruch does not tell me everything and how to do everything. You just want to assume that what YOU do is the only way, and you didn’t have to think about it at all! You are more of a robot. Robots don’t get reward for their mitzvos. Very sad. And by the way, your gedolim assured the internet.

Yussel, Yussel, Yussel:

The Pirush on Shulchan Aruch known as the Ba”CH was Rabbi Y Sirkis, look at the first page of a Shulchan Aruch. No connection to Johann Sebastian Bach. GET YOUR FACTS BEFORE COMMENTING!

chachom: You mean I should run around throwing bleach on people who aren’t dressed as the most stringent views hold?

Mayan_Dvash:

First: I was referring to the Bach’s corrections to the text of the Talmud, which is in the margin of every Shas.

Second: IT WAS A JOKE!!

Maybe for your birthday, your family can pool their money and buy you a sense of humor.

Farf Un: No, just don’t make lies about people based on false stories in the zionist media about the Vaad Hatznius (even if it was republished in so-called Orthodox sites). And then don’t go demanding that everyone get on their knees and plead for your forgiveness for calling you what you are, prior to you getting on your fours and begging those tzadikim and groups of people you slandered and falsely maligned with your loshon hora and rechilus for their mechila.

postsemgirl:

If halacha was agreed upon across the board, there would be need for very few seforim. Check out a public Torah library and see how many halacha seforim they have, you will be in for quite a shock. I can recommend a few if you’d like. As far as the identity of the gedolim, it may come as a surprise to you, but not every Jew who observes the mitzvos has the same godol and posek. Each constituency and their godol, nahara nahara upashtei. It’s been that way for a few thousand years and you should learn that fact and accept it. The alternative is bigotry, hatred and prejudice , all ostensibly leshem shamayim, but in actuality avodah zarah.

You are right, a person should be careful what music he/she listens to. Let that person decide for him/herself.

to postsemgirl:

you say “…You are right, I am very sad that I have to use the internet for school and when I have my own home im yirteh Hashem I won’t have internet.”

i don’t understand. would you do something for your school that necessitated chillul shabbos? violation of tznius? if the internet is assur, it is assur!

also, i was wondering whether it is mutar for men and women to correspond back and forth on the internet in such forums (even a glatt kosher forum such as YWN). we all know that its quite assur for men & women to talk (mishna avos), so i am curious if there is a heter for the internet or not?

Yussel, I know a joke when I see one, your post was more like a gaffe.

Rabbi: Bava Basra 91B Rav Yochanan.

Also in the opposite direction we have Chalov Stam.

Mz. Postsem (or anyone else) should not listen to anything that affects their soul the wrong way. Having someone else monitor what may or may not be heard sounds Orwillian to me (we are at war with eastasia and we have always been at war with eastasia, and anyone who says we have not been at war with eastasia will be re-educated).

It may be a better idea to personally avoid certain music, and have the Gedolim (for each area, what works for E”Y does not work for the USA (such as ballplaying)) give clear guidelines as to what is allowed and not, and let the people decide what they do. After all, this is a hashkafa issue, not a halachic one.

The reason why today is different is because the interaction can go no further than talking, unlike then. Vehamayvin Yovin.

chachom, it’s not just stories the Zionists made up. By the way, what’s wrong with being a Zionist exactly?

It’s well known out there that these people will attack you if you aren’t dressed properly. People from those groups have been arrested. There have been stores burned down when they didn’t think the store sold appropriate things (I know, I have family members who saw it happen). These people really are thugs who try to force their way onto everyone.

This Va’ad Hatznius doesn’t have any real Gedolim behind it. In fact, many Gedolim spoke out AGAINST the actions these people take. I’m not saying lashon hara against any Gedolim – in fact, I support them!

If there is another group called the Va’ad Hatznius which has the backing of the gedolim, and they are the ones behind this, then I apologize to them. However, I believe the fanatics are behind this.

WOW….i just read through the 15 some odd post on this forum and i decided that i have to respond in many ways on many things…..first of all i would like to congratulate postsemgirl on her taking a strong stance and not letting up even when so many people attacked her….she is absolutely 100% right…the rabbani of our do’or are the amuday psak for us when they tell us that the right thing to do is not to go to concerts how dare you have the audacity to even contemplate going to a concert….the kol korei was signed by many leading rabbonim stating not to go to concerts, when you have learnt half as much torah as they have you can start thinking about arguing with their psak.

rabbiofberlin – the reason why the chumras of old are kept stringently and the kullos are not is simple….im assuming you have heard/saw/learnt the gemara that compares us to previous generations…i’m going to quote the basic idea….”if they where like angels we are like men if the where like men we are like donkeys” the basic idea being that they where 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000x greater then we are or ever will be….you can not begin to be masig the level of ruchneyos that a taana of an amora had…..if you look in sheira avodah of rebbeniu yona os mem tes you will see how he talks about the levels of ahavas Hashem and the levels of avodah that where reached by avraham yitzchak and yaakov, moshe and aharon, dovid and shlomo….i cant say the exact same for tanaim and amorim but as demenstrated by the previous quote they where pretty unbelievable themselves…oh and remember that the previous quote was talking about amoraim to tanaim kal vachmer us…..if you look in sharei kedush i forget exactly where it is there is a story quoted about reb chaim vital and the arizal talking about how if we do little things right in our generation ,due to the tumah and kleipos that we have to wade through to get to kedushah, it is comparable to achieving unbelievable levels in the amoraims times….so after all that said the reason why people jump on chumros and dont jump on kolos….is because they (amroim, tannaim, geonim, reshonim, achronim) where on levels of kedushah that we can’t be masig and the fact that they thought that a chumrah was neccesary kal vachomer on us the “donkeys”….we don’t jump on kulos because when the rabbonim of previous genrations and our genrations say not to do some thing or not to see something or not to go somewhere it is only because we have sunk to such low levels in avodah that we cant do those things with out endangering our yeddishkit….we cant go to concerts with mixed crowds even though there is seperate seating because ossur things happen so yes i would maintain that….and i quote verbatim from your words:”How about a kulloh?? “OSSUR’OSSUR””….

Blue Shirt – I B”H am zoche to sit in a beis medrash all day and learn Torah….the Shulchan Aruch and other seforim of psak halchah DO AND SHOULD GOVERN OUR EVERY DAY LIVES….that is exactly what yiddishkeit is about….there are halachos for anything and everything….how to put your shoes on in the morning, in what order to eat your foods, how you should dress, and yes even when where and what music you should be listening to….and you are right there are diffrent poskin and gedolim and everyone listens to their own….Do you have a gadol that is telling beferush that you should ignore the ban on going to concerts and ignore the bans on certain types of music…i would highly doubt it….even if you write back and said you did i would assume you are either misquoting him or you just plain didn’t understand exactly what he said…

so to end off…yes i will listen to the ban placed on music by the rabbbonim i will not go to concerts and i will watch as girls parade up and down the streets on yom kippur as rabbiofberlin wants me to do becaus i listen to the gedolim of this and past generations so that i will get Sechar in the world to come….like the meselis yesharim and every other mussar sefer in the world says…the whole point of this world is to get sechar so that you can enjoy the ziv hashechinah in the next world…im going to do what the rabbonim say and maybe sacrifice a little of that teivah and enjoyment of music in this world for my enjoyment in the next……are you?????????

I’m amazed as to how many people havbe bought into the Artscroll dreamworld of the idyllic past generations. I realize that many boys yeshiva never study Neviim

but our ancestors were contantly being punished for worshipping idols ( real avoda zorah ). Any one ever hear of the Sadduccees, the Hellenizers, the Karaites?

Our ancestors in the middle Ages and in Eastern Europe were ( except for the 1%

of taslmedai chachamim ) were ignorant peasants living on shtetls who could barely read the Aleph Bais. They stayed frum out of habit. Under the church, you were either Catholic or Jewish, you couldn’t be nothing. Chassidus took hold because it told the masses that even though you couldn’t learn, you could come close tp Hashem thru singing. And, as soon as the ghettos opened, the vast majority of these jew by habit left the ghetto and never looked back.

The words of the poster “Itzik” are the most despicable and disgusting words I have seen on this website. And I have seen some bad postings!!! I have to contain myself from using some choice langauge!

Go put on “Sak Vo-efer” and ask mechillah from all those Yidden who are worth a thousand times more than you. When you come before the “Kisseh Hakovod’ the first thing they will ask you to do is kneel before those holy neshomos that you insulted ! Your neshomo is ashame ,gving you life ! SHAME ON YOU !!! You are the main reason why Hakodosh Boruch Hu has not sent us the geulah shleimah!

BS”D

Thanks for the laugh, reformrabbiofberlin. I haven’t laughed this hard since a couple of Purims ago – but I do much better Carlebach imitations than your “holy neshomos” shtus above.

rabbiofberlin “Pray tell me, what do you want the Klal to do on a Motzei Shabbos?”

I’m sorry to say, but that attitude sums up rabbiofberlin. What happened to a Melave Malka? Not even under consideration! Its movies or concerts!