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Again laskern I’m not saying there aren’t justifications for these practices the rema is one reason others include that too cold to go to mikva (Agur ) and that not meyuchas (beis efraim )
See aruch hashulchan 128:64 who says there is no good reason
והנה וודאי אין שום טעם נכון למנהגינו לבטל מצות עשה דברכת כהנים כל השנה כולה. וכתבו דמנהג גרוע הואJoseph
I’ll bet you are neither yekke nor sefardi. Thus those examples apply to both of us.ubiq: My point is that even the examples given are not examples of anything that there aren’t large frum communities that *do* keep them.
To be birchas kohanim biblical we need two kohanim which we might not have every day.
Laskern: I saw your source on the Kiddush thing. Sorry if you felt ignored, but that source doesn’t change the reality of what people say who actually keep the custom. There could be multiple reasons for the same custom; I’m not sure. No matter the reason, people who do it keep 6-7 on the regular clock; not shaos zmanios, not converted for standard time or daylight savings time, etc.
Unmarried bocherim still fulfill the mitzvah of tzistzis.
This is sort of a side point, but I had the impression that the Maharil off of which not wearing a tallis is based actually said that unmarried boys are patur from tzistzis altogether (no distinction between tallis gadol and katan). Can anyone confirm whether or not this is true? I’m not sure where the source is.
Also, who said duchaning on weekdays is a halachah? Are we at the point now where the word “halachah” means whatever Sphardim say, and “not following halachah” means whatever Ashkenazim say?
Neville, many who keep 6-7 (and it is far from only Lubavitch) do adjust for DST.
Look at the MB 17:10 bochurim not wearing a talis because of the relationship between marriage and tzitzis, but maybe that’s why they wear big talis katans to perform the mitzva of tzitzis. Also since they don’t put the talis over the head according the interpretation of the gemora, they might not wear a big talis altogether.
Joseph
“ubiq: My point is that even the examples given are not examples of anything that there aren’t large frum communities that *do* keep them.”
Yes, but WE don’t. thus they are examples of “mitzvos that we don’t do anymore even though we technically coukd. ” I agree they are NOT examples of mitzvos that NOBODY keeps anymore. I’m sorry that that confused you.
“To be birchas kohanim biblical we need two kohanim which we might not have every day”
Mazel tov! So you have a 4th reason weaker than the already weak reasons described by the Aruch Hashulchan as “אין שום טעם נכון” I’m not so sure what that adds.NC
“No matter the reason, people who do it keep 6-7 on the regular clock; not shaos zmanios, not converted for standard time or daylight savings time, etc.”
This is true for some, not all. At any rate that deosnt change the fact that those who keep 6-7 doesnt really make sense (especially when you consider that if FLA adopts DST year round, so the the State governemnt will change when Mazal maadim is sholet, but only in their state? Not impossible, just strange.)See seferYisroel VeHazmanim for details regarding this minhag
“Unmarried bocherim still fulfill the mitzvah of tzistzis.”
Nu nu its a machlokes you and the MB 17: 10 who says regarding the Maharil הוא דבר תמוה דעד שלא ישא אשה יהיה יושב ובטל ממצות ציצית
If you dont like the example though I do understand.“Also, who said duchaning on weekdays is a halachah?”
The Torah
I’m not sure what you mean. It is a mitzvah deoraysa. there is a reason why Kohanim say ” …asher kideshanu bemitzvosov…vetzivanu levarech as amo Yisroel…” Ramabm lists it as a mitzvaThe lo saase of vlo sasuru achrei levavchem. …
Do not go after your heart and eyes for pleasures that are forbidden.Today we are sadly living in the generation of self centered Ness and instant gratification. We do know how to hold ourselves back from running after every desire and pleasure in the world today. And each a person does it is a sin. It doesn’t need to be running after eating treif or a guy etc… to do the forbidden sin of do not go after your desires.
Not to sway after your heart and your eyes mentioned above is one of the six mitzvos that we have to keep constantly in mind.
I mentioned that I had thought I learned that on the Maharil’s stance on tzistzis, but I wasn’t sure. Thanks for the source. L’maaseh, though, nobody holds by it. Everyone wears some form of tzistzis before marriage.
The 6-7 thing always went by the goyishe clock. I don’t think a custom going by the goyishe clock makes any sense to begin with, so I don’t know that it makes inherently less sense not to index for DST, the times are all arbitrary anyway.
“so I don’t know that it makes inherently less sense not to index for DST”
agree completly. Though again it isnt quite true that the minhag “always went by the goyishe clock” not all who follow this minhag do it that way as elaborated in my first comment on this sunject.
I grant tzitzis is probably the weakest example on this thread, perhaps not an example at all
To laskern: Are you sure that is a joke?
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