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Health : never thought I’d have the opportunity to say this but I agree : )
Of course, we hate the Frum Fakers. There is no question about that.
However, I believe the issue here, in this thread, is that not only did DF go OTD; but she wants to persuade others to do so, too, and she maligns the Jewish and specifically Chassidic lifestyles.
To quote someone who commented on the Algemeiner article “‘Unorthodox’ belongs in the Fiction Section:”
“So she gets to wear sequined minis and has a more varied menu than those in the Orthodox community do; she enjoys fantasizing about a salacious, blissful love life and has lots of publicity in her life right now, with everyone famous calling to interview her, due to her using her overabundant energy to blacken her very own ancestors and very own blood relatives and making them all out to be foolish robotic dodos. . .
All she wants to do is defame the religious practices of her forefathers, instead of just living a normal, accomplished, less religious, or even totally irreligious life, privately without negativity and finger-pointing. . .
She’s just a babbling buffoon; a seething, hateful person, whose uppermost goal is fun. And that IS her choice.
She is an example of what not to become, what not to aspire to be; capitalizing on hate, mockery, meanness, and exaggeration.”
I feel compassion for ANYONE who is C”V in a dysfunctional or abusive situation, even if that person is in such pain that he or she goes OTD; as long as the person deals with his or her SPECIFIC situation and does NOT defame the ENTIRE Jewish community.
If someone is molested, C”V; then the MOLESTER and those who protect him or her are evil people; NOT all Jews.
However, part of the Goodreads description of DF, that was quoted in a post, above, says:
“Her memoir, ‘Unorthodox: The Scandalous Rejection of My Hasidic Roots,’ is being published by Simon and Schuster on February 14, 2012. She is currently working on the first novel in a series about crime in the Hasidic community, that is based on real-life characters and events, and is due out from Soho Press in Autumn 2012.”
It’s bad enough that DF wrote “Unorthodox,” which defames the Hasidic community and portrays its married women as “dirty” for part of the month. (I read the Kindle edition of the book.)
It’s bad enough that she went on “The View” and further defamed the Hasidic community and the Mitzvah of Taharas HaMishpacha and portrayed Hasidic women as oppressed, ignorant, uneducated, and unaccomplished. (I watched the clip on YouTube.)
After that, she’s writing ANOTHER book? About CRIME in the Hasidic community? Not just another book, but the first in a SERIES?
In DF’s mind, are there no DECENT Hasidic people, who have done good for others? Are ALL of the Hasidim evil?
DF didn’t only go OTD; she has gone WAY too far.
(I used CAPS to emphasize certain words, because I don’t know how to underline, in a post.)
Anonym613 – agreed.
This new (to me) information is very disturbing and it brings me this question. I don’t know what the halacha is about hating DF in particular because I don’t know anything about her that isn’t third party (or more) and I haven’t presented the shaila. I am admittedly uninformed and therefore hating her message, her behavior etc. But let’s say I AM supposed to hate HER herself; my question (really asking, not taking a position) if she did tshuva, in a way that we would have no right to question, would we still have to hate her? And if the answer is yes, does that imply that it wasn’t HER we were hating in the first place?
I am not interested in being attacked for asking, I am not defending DF or her defenders, I am not arguing with anyone’s opinion. I am just curious to know how tshuva, and our obligations fit in to this picture.
yeah i found out about her latest series from Wikipedia…its disgraceful. especially now, because you can call out things you believe are lies in her current book, but you cant even protest against this next one since it will be a work of fiction.
Mi Shetova Elbono Shel Zah Yitva Elboni
Davening for DF’s early demise is a mitzvah.
Syag – I don’t know but from all that I’ve observed. (Yup, I’ve been around her for a while.) If she did do teshuva and decided to come back to Yiddishkeit I would have a very hard time accepting that she is/would be sincere. I would definitely suspect that this is just another one of her acts to use whoever or whatever is there to further her own perceived aspirations.
Maybe that’s not right on my part, but her daily behavior definitely begs for this type of reaction.
Syag: Of who? w?s David Hamelech saying
??? ?????? ?’ ???? ???????? ?????? ????? ???? ?????? ??????? ??? ??
Of whom was he saying ?? ??? ????? ?????
Of whom was it said ?????? ????? ???
And countless others.
YES. IT IS A MITZVAH TO HATE RESHAIM. Believe it or not. Look it up in sefarim. I’m not making it up.
Didn’t you ATTACK me when you PERCEIVED erroneously that I offended someone else? Didn’t you, and someone else, become incensed, hot, indignant, zealous towards me? WHY?? Why not only the message??? That is the point. When one feels closeness to another person he/she will ward off and unjust attack. – It get PERSONAL. One fights an enemy. Didn’t you?
And that closeness is what we’re supposed to develop towards the Ribonon Shel Olam.
I myself do not know about the Halochos of whether or not to hate a specific Jew, based on what he or she did.
The issue that concerns me here is not hating DF,
but what she is doing to defame Judaism and the Jewish lifestyle.
For example, Google DF’s name and Rachel Weisz, together;
and see what DF writes about RW getting married.
Syag, your question looks very far fetched from reality, but lets say her cycle turns down very quick, and her silly hot air fame wears off, she gets kicked out of her apt. because she’s penniless, and she’s being dumped like a piece of garbage by her fifth BF, and she realizes that it’s time for teshuva, she can definitely do teshuva like everyone elase is, as is stated in Rambam, Shaarei teshuva, and more seforim, when someone does teshuva you’re not allowed to tell them ‘remember your old sins”, and you’re obligated to love that person.
But, she has quite a bit of homework to do in order to do teshuva, she has a lot of people to personally apologize when she feels she wants to become a real BT.
ZK -“I just subtly commented on your choice of words “I hope your hatred to Frum fakers is a least as great as …” You wrote it, not me. (Does that not imply that I must hate a Frum Faker more than a rabid hater of God?)”
Not more, at least as much. Funny you try to give the impression here in the CR that you’re a learned person, but you don’t know a simple Gemorah. So since you don’t know this Gemorah -you decided I was wrong and you had the right to post to me the way you did.
I guess when you think you’re right -you can use any put-down you want to.
The reason I posted that way was because the Gemorah in the end of Pesachim (Pretty sure, not 100% sure it’s there.) says one of the people Hashem hates is a two-faced person. “Someone who says one way and thinks in his heart a different way.” So if Hashem hates Frum Fakers, while it doesn’t say he hates all Reshayim, certainly a person should hate Frum Fakers as much as that person hates Reshayim!
Anonym613 -“Of course, we hate the Frum Fakers. There is no question about that.”
Not e/o in the community does. There are some who will go to all ends to defend these people.
“However, I believe the issue here, in this thread, is that not only did DF go OTD; but she wants to persuade others to do so, too,”
Maybe she wants to, but unless that person is on the way out anyway, her book will have no influence. Most Frum people see the ludicrisy in her book. So to use this point against her is ridiculous. She has fed the many anti-semities amongst the American public, but she has done No direct damage!
Syag Lchochma -The Mitzva in the Torah is to hate Reshahyim.
Once that person does Teshuva -they are no longer called a Rosho.
Now they have a Din of just like anyone else.
It’s the BT generation. We don’t hate BT’s once they become Frum -they are just like e/o else.
Didn’t you ATTACK me when you PERCEIVED erroneously that I offended someone else? Didn’t you, and someone else, become incensed, hot, indignant, zealous towards me? WHY?? Why not only the message??? That is the point. When one feels closeness to another person he/she will ward off and unjust attack. – It get PERSONAL. One fights an enemy. Didn’t you?
No, I didn’t. And I take offense at your assumption. But thank you for proving my point.
Guter yid – I really wasn’t talking about whether or not DF WILL do tshuva or what it would take. I was asking how we respond as ehrlicher yidden to a person who DID deserve hate but then did tshuva. I think big deals response shows that we would have trouble just forgetting and trusting, I am sure I would, and I wonder what Hashem would want of us in that situation. Just a question I thought of in connection to this discussion.
Health – you are right, but I think it would be very hard for most people to switch gears.
Just to step back a second, it seems to me that there are people here who are being perceived as defending a Rosha, and denying the truth of the mitzvah to hate a Rosha. I don’t get the impression we are denying that it would be our obligation to hate, some of us are just less confident in declaring who fits the bill. I, for one, am questioning how you can KNOW someone is a Rosha and qualifies to be hated based on reading news stories and NOT based on having asked a shaila. I don’t think anyone here has said not to hate a Rasha. And listing her stupidities won’t do it for me, I would need halachik ‘clearance’ to hate anyone. Until then, I just pity her and her trail of damage.
Health:
I find that extremely hilarious – “Funny you try to give the impression here in the CR that you’re a learned person..” Do I really try? Have you read ANY of my posts?? Others get a slightly different impression..
No. I do not try. I openly stated time and again, I’m not learned in the least. I’ll do it again – I’M NOT LEARNED AT ALL. Nope. Not a scholar. Not a Rabbi. Not a talmid and not a chacham (neither a combination). I’m sorry if you or anyone else got that impression. (To my understanding a gemarah has no nekudos, how would I know how to read)
Health, so you hate ‘Frum fakers’ as much as someone who enters his house without knocking?
Whoever thinks that the bad press we get from Deborah Feldman’s book, marketed as a personal memoir, even though it paints a picture of an entire community, is anywhere as harmful as the bad press, hatred and mockery frum people get when one sees photos of “very religious” Jews in their easily identifiable dress, with ugly news stories beside the photos, and there have been an assortment of them in recent years, is smoking something. Theyre hopelessly mistaken. They can talk til theyre blue in the face!
Even if theyre a small minority.
Especially when theres suspicion of other religious people covering for them.
Syag:
Just in time for ???? ???? and the ????? of Shaul. When Shaul couldn’t get himself to “hate” the king of Aggag, a Bas Kol announced “?? ???? ????”, we all know what the second Bas Kol came for.
?? ????? ?? ???????…
OK, The Torah says to kill out an Ir Hanidachas. WHAT?!? How could one do that? Aren’t we supposed to love every Jew etc… Such cruelty?!? Where’s our Rachmonus?
True and absolute mercy is where HaShem deems it so. Otherwise it’s not really the Torah-oriented Middah of Rachmonus, not really true mercy. That is the message of ????? ????. Getting rid of a Rasha is indeed mercy. For him and for the world.
As for me, someone is attacking me, My Creator, My Torah (NO SMALL ATTACK) – I’ll fight back. No. Now is not the time for asking sha’alos. Sha’alos one asks if one must hate a “Frum Faker”, an abuser, a spitter etc. She’s slapping me (big-time), I’m slapping back. Period. You’d do no differently.
She’s slapping me (big-time), I’m slapping back.
ZK, have you slapped with equal vengeance, when attacked by Frum Fakers who molested our innocents of innocents, and turned them into DF’s, and caused upheaval in homes throughout our community, and have you slapped with equal vengeance those who knowingly covered for them and mercilessly allowed them to continue as if nothing happened or will continue to happen? If you didnt, perhaps you should start now.
They were at least equally damaging, whether they wear our begadim, eat Kosher and walk the walk and talk the talk, or not.
There is nothing wrong with your response, it just isn’t connected in any way to what you are responding to. I don’t know if English is your second language or if you are just very passionate so you are unable to catch my point. You are throwing lots of psukim around and lots of Torah about actual Reshoim and how tzadikim responded. That has nothing to do with anything I have said. If you feel that you have enough information about DF to hate her, feel free. If I would like consent from my Rav first, please don’t accuse me of attacking your creator and defending a rosho. We Jews don’t hate freely, and I am not sure from where you have gathered all your facts, but I don’t believe I have a clue about her beyond her misguided craziness. When someone who is actually AUTHORIZED to declare her a Rosho does so, be it a rav or Rebbe or Rabbi, I will be happy to do so. But you don’t KNOW what she is, and my not KNOWING what she is does NOT mean I am not defending Hashem. I am obviously not capable of making this point any clearer so my role, at this point, is to find something else to do. I appreciate your passion for Hashem but I do wish you would check to see that those at the tip of your sword are authentically belonging there according to DAAS TORAH and not a posters emotions.
HaLeiVi -“Health, so you hate ‘Frum fakers’ as much as someone who enters his house without knocking?”
Why should I hate s/o who doesn’t knock on the door?
ZK -“As for me, someone is attacking me, My Creator, My Torah (NO SMALL ATTACK) – I’ll fight back. No. Now is not the time for asking sha’alos. Sha’alos one asks if one must hate a “Frum Faker”, an abuser, a spitter etc. She’s slapping me (big-time), I’m slapping back. Period. You’d do no differently.”
Funny -you decided there is no Shaila here, but you must ask about a Frum Faker (whom you know is one).
Do you only believe in Torah Shebksav and not Torah SheBaal Peh?
I just posted to you that Hashem hates a Frum Faker more than other Reshahyim (If at all). So how come this lady who is just a Rosho you have no Shaila and just hate her and a Frum Faker you do have a Shaila?
A Frum Faker is hated by Hashem. Who says she (DF) is? Saying it’s a Mitzva to hate Reshayim -is Not a proof. Prove she is in the catergory that it says on – Hashem hates them!
Better go out and get an English Gemorah like Artscroll because there are no Neukudos in the Aramaic versions!
health…your argument is invalid.
1) its a straw man
2) the two arent mutually exclusive
i dont like how zeeskite is going about this topic either, but please try and seem coherent.
Because the Gemara says that Hashem hates it.
HaLeiVi -“Because the Gemara says that Hashem hates it.”
Where is this Gemorah? It’s not in Pesachim like the things I quoted above.
Health; Syag; Medium Size
It seems like you’re all missing the main point. She is a ??????. She’s doing it out of spite. And it’s all public, as public as can be. All the media, all the world wide web, all the book-stands etc. There are many who HaShem hate, does not nesecerily mean we too have to. As HaLeiVi pointed out, their are many thing HaShem hates (Health, there are other Gemarahs too, this one could maybe be in Niddah), like one who walks in suddenly into his OWN house. Does that mean we too have to hate? No. But I think a ???? ??????? is permitted to dislike after warning him – and then catching him in the act three times. A ???? ?????? doesn’t need any ????. She may be in the category of ????? also, that depends where this leads to.
We’re bidden to love our ????? – our Torah kinfolk. If after reading all the web, media, reviews etc. you still think she fits the bill, then, as someone here wrote, what are you smoking…
And Syag, English is not even my second language. In fact I can hardly read /write it.
hello pals, may some body here please explain and elaborate on the term “frum fakers”? does this mean someone who pretends to be a shomer shabbat, but in reality isn’t? does it mean someone who wears ultra frum gear, but is really more of a “modern” type, or someone who dresses chassidish and deep down in his heart he is a litvak, or some one who’s acting like a shomer torah and is actually a baal aveira?
Please enlighten me. Thanks.
Regarding whom hashem hates, there are several maamarei chazal on this topic, like one who walks in the house suddenly without notice or knocking, one who is “echad bapeh v’echad balev” (a faker, not necessarilly a frum one..), the gemara also says Hashem hates “zimah”, which includes all forms of “zenus”, and which would include one who publicly announces his/her sexual vows and “adultery” in public.
zk – I ask you why you feel a need to insult me, and you answer by insulting me. I am having trouble understanding that concept.
Also:
“We’re bidden to love our ????? – our Torah kinfolk. If after reading all the web, media, reviews etc. you still think she fits the bill, then, as someone here wrote, what are you smoking…”
Besides being a rude comment to me, I don’t consider “web, media reviews etc… “to be Daas Torah. I didn’t say she deserves respect, I said I need Daas Torah. Why do you insist that I should be drawing my own conclusions from websites instead of relying on Daas Torah? And why do you have to be sarcastic and insulting to me? Is that, too, what Hashem wants from you? I really don’t understand where throwing me under the bus helps you be a better representative of Hashem and His Torah.
Guter yid: frum fakers?
ill answer you with a story.
so im sitting at dinner by Our Place and someone says how much better the fries at mcdonalds are than the ones we serve. i told him that mcdonalds isnt kosher. he tells me that they must be kosher because mcdonalds switched from animal fat to vegetable oil in their fryers last year. and besides, he tells me, he sees frum people walking in and buying fries all the time. so i ask him what he means by frum jews and he tells me he sees yeshiva bochurim with white shirts and jackets and everything walking in. i told him that they arent frum.
so hes like, waddaya mean they arent frum, they wear the white shirt, hats, jackets, and everything…im like no, that doesnt make them frum. so he says, what makes someone frum then? and i say…keeping the torah…he just walked away shaking his head.
Syag, do you consult with a posek before hating a child molester? Before hating a child killer?
sushe – NEVER. I am actually one of the bigger mouthed opposers. But you are asking me if I would hate a child molester. You didn’t ask me if I would hate someone that your friends neighbor read on a blog was a child molester. I will be the first to spread the name around, and the loudest (I actually have done so). But only AFTER I have checked that the story is correct. I WILL double check that I have my facts straight, which is my point in all this.
Thank you for giving me the opportunity to clarify that.
ZK, It seems like you’re all missing the main point.
Im uncomfortable with know it alls, when theyre not Rabbinical authorities, quoting Psukim to back their point as the only way.
Please enlighten us and clarify if you, personally, hate child molesters and those who protect them, less, more or equally to your hatred of DF, and where in the Torah we are instructed to feel the way you do, comparatively, and please name which Rabbinical authority you’ve consulted on this.
soliek, that doesnt make them frum. so he says, what makes someone frum then? and i say…keeping the torah…
+10 Like!
Syag, thanks for your clarification. But HOW will you check that the story is correct (re: a molester or killer)? What about Levi Aron? Did you base your knowledge of what he did on media reports? How is that different than here? How do you know someone is really a molester? Do you ask a Rov?
With DF she is standing up in public and making all her statements loud and clear, directly and unambiguously.
Thanks Soliek for explanation, I’ll also add a small story, when some TV program ran e serious of exposing people active in very indecent activity, (don’t wanna go into details), and they operated with an organiztion booby trapping those criminals, having them arrested on the spot by hiding police officers, and then showing the entire episode on live TV, dozens of people showed up to those “spots”, bringing shame and agony upon themselves, at one occassion a so called “Rabbi” showed up to one of the “spots”, this conservative Rabbi with no skull cap or tzitzit on himself, was not so much for the Torah as he was for “etiqutte” and manners, dina de’malchusa etc. as he wasn’t really keeping the Torah.
My point actually was, it’s very obvious that people have much more hatred to a real “frum” person who is not exactly what he’s pretending to be, rather than a not so frum person who’s caught with things he/she is pretending to be much higher than this level.
**capitals are in lieu of underlining for the postingly challenged**
sushe – Thanks for your civility! You have a great point. And I don’t have all the answers, which is EXACTLY why I am hesitant to join in on this. With Levi Aron I read the scanned paper with his confession. With molesters I do the best I can to find out details. Sometimes it is easier than others.
But, to me (and me alone), the difference is that I am clear about the murder and molestation being wrong AND about the perpetrators being roshoim. And I KNOW that DF is wrong. BUT, when it comes to damage done by a seemingly unbalanced person who doesn’t seem to ever have been on the derech to begin with, . . . well, I just don’t know what the halachos are for declaring one a rosho. I get the impression that her profile as a person may or may not disqualify her from being Rosho as opposed to a choteh. I really don’t know. That is why I am NOT defending her, I am OBSTAINING from making a declaration about something I am not qualified for. I hate her behavior, and I hate the Rosho. But I would need someone much more learned than me to tie it together.
I wish someone would actually ask the shaila, I’d love to hear the answer.
sushe With DF she is standing up in public and making all her statements loud and clear, directly and unambiguously.
So do child molesters and those who protect them and allow them to continue to harm. They spell out clearly, whether they mouth it or not, by their actions, that they dont give one hoot about the Torah’s teachings to prevent harm to others, especially innocents, as long as they are continuously gratified, and for those who protect the molesters, as long as they are left alone to play dumb.
Her fame and book’s popularity will die down, the other damage lives forever.
Syag:
I don’t think I ever insulted you. I never intended to, either. Nor anyone else here. You keep harping and insisting that I’ve “resorted to calling people names”, ” rip a person apart”, “need to insult” etc. I don’t think that’s the case. Note the nasty tone everyone’s using here against me . Again – as I stated before I’m not in this to be bickering, name calling (I asked you where- still waiting), bashing. Sorry. That’s not me. If you’re so watchful for lashon hara (as per you sub title) you shouldn’t either.
Now, that being said, what part don’t you believe? You don’t believe she put it out all over the web for shame? LOOK! You don’t believe it’s in the media? LOOK! You don’t believe her evil intent. LOOK! You don’t believe she doing ??????? Again, just LOOK! She’s condemning herself.
For this you need Rabbinical authority, for the others you can be your own judge, prosecutor, executor – as you’ve written?
Medium Size:
You don’t have to be unconformable with me. As I’ve stated over and over – I’m a professed know-nothing-at-all. You’re new here (at least your screen name), you don’t know me.
As far as you question to “enlighten you”
Chofetz Chaim says a ???? ??? ?”? does not need any ?????. Period. One does it for that purpose – ??????.
A ???? ?????? however need ?????. He’s not ??? ???? ?????. That’s your local molester. Nowadays, things have to be dealt with differently, given the nature of their illness/ cravings/ addictions, but halachah doesn’t change. Let’s say word must be out about a certain individual (halacha permitting), it’s not allowed to be done with malicious intent. All other ????? too, must be adhered to.
Look it up. Not my own. Chofetz Chaim. Sefer Hilchos Lashon Hara.
If you get a different psak, kindly let me, all of us, know.
I have one word to sum the whole story, all the rumors etc…
She is one crazy lady who has been caught through investigations by the ny post, ny daily news, NYPD, writing straight up lies. We shouldn’t give her the attention she is seeking!!
+1
ZK – “It seems like you’re all missing the main point. She is a ??????. She’s doing it out of spite. And it’s all public, as public as can be. All the media, all the world wide web, all the book-stands etc. There are many who HaShem hate, does not nesecerily mean we too have to.”
No, actually you’re missing the point or deliberately avoiding it.
“As HaLeiVi pointed out, their are many thing HaShem hates (Health, there are other Gemarahs too, this one could maybe be in Niddah), like one who walks in suddenly into his OWN house.”
Where exactly is this Gemorah & how do you know -I thought you can’t read without Nekudos? I doubt the Gemorah says Hashem hates him, but he hates the action of entering. That’s why I asked for the Maroh Mokom.
“Does that mean we too have to hate? No.”
It depends on whether the person is a Rosho or not!
“But I think a ???? ??????? is permitted to dislike after warning him – and then catching him in the act three times. A ???? ?????? doesn’t need any ????. She may be in the category of ????? also, that depends where this leads to.
We’re bidden to love our ????? – our Torah kinfolk. If after reading all the web, media, reviews etc. you still think she fits the bill, then, as someone here wrote, what are you smoking…”
Listen the Torah requires you hate every Rosho -so I have no problem that you hate DF.
But again do you hate “Frum Fakers” as much as you hate her? And a “Frum Faker” is in the category of whom Hashem’s hates, while it doesn’t say Hashem hates people like DF, no matter how big a Rosho she is!
You seem to have a problem answering a simple question!
ZeesKite -“You don’t have to be unconformable with me. As I’ve stated over and over – I’m a professed know-nothing-at-all. You’re new here (at least your screen name), you don’t know me.”
Funny when you posted as Joseph -you claimed to be a know -it-all!
“As far as you question to “enlighten you”
Chofetz Chaim says a ???? ??? ?”? does not need any ?????. Period. One does it for that purpose – ??????.
A ???? ?????? however need ?????. He’s not ??? ???? ?????. That’s your local molester. Nowadays, things have to be dealt with differently, given the nature of their illness/ cravings/ addictions, but halachah doesn’t change. Let’s say word must be out about a certain individual (halacha permitting), it’s not allowed to be done with malicious intent. All other ????? too, must be adhered to.
Look it up. Not my own. Chofetz Chaim. Sefer Hilchos Lashon Hara.
If you get a different psak, kindly let me, all of us, know.”
Now you went ahead and were Megaleh Ponim B’Torah Shelo K’halacha.
Calling a molester s/o who isn’t out of Amesecha. I guess you don’t know what a molester is. Molesters don’t just do it one time. The CC says Klal 4 #7 -“If s/o isn’t careful on one Aveira that e/o knows is an Aveira and he does this on purpose many times… such a person is not part of Amesech and you can embarrass him and talk bad about him.” Baer Mayim Chayim -“As long as you know for sure the guy is guilty and you don’t make it out more than it is.”
Time to put this to bed.
Anyone who still wants to defend her is advised to take note that one of the biggest roidfim and moisrim in the Jewish blog world has called Feldman out as a liar. Happens to be that this miserable failure is jealous of her success, but a stopped clock is right twice a day and this menuval got it 1000% right when it came to Feldman.
If by fake frum you mean molestors, they themselves are mentally ill and need treatment. Those who covered for molestors in earlier days frankly barely understood the whole issue in many cases. We just don’t think about these things in the Torah world, or in any civilized circles, and the mistakes made were devastating, but understandable. In the old days, many people would have believed a tale about a shark or a bear in the mikve before they believed a story about pedophiles. (In the old days they also nailed pedophiles to barn doors and then set the barn afire, but we can’t do that to Yidden regardless of how sick they are.)
Feldman is a reshois with no morals whatsoever. (The rusha merushe who helped expose her is just as bad, but you set a crook to catch a crook.)
Health:
Again ({and again and..}) – you don’t have to call me any names or be upset with me. Neither a megaleh ponim, nor a Joseph(!?! – where did that come from?). I’m not in this to fight, at all!!
Getting back to my point – as you yourself so well repeated – a mumar lta’avon, muchzak, as a molester, still need requirements. As you’ve stated “as long as you don’t make more than it is..” A porek ol does not need any requirements. Kindly correct me if I’m wrong.
As far as your referencing to Gemorahs that say about whom HaShem hates, I don’t think it’s brought down ANYWHERE, in any sefer halacha or mussar, as a Mitzvah for US to hate those who HaShem hates. As HaLeiVi quoted a Gemarrah that says HaShem hates someone who walks suddenly into his OWN house (Nidda 16b). Many other things there too.
But it is a Mitzvah to hate and despise a rasha of porek ol – as per the Chofetz Chaim.
How I got to these Gemorrahs – I read it in The Illustrated, Little Gemarrah Says.. Searched for it in The Little Giggle Says…
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