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May 14, 2015 4:49 am at 4:49 am #615688BigGolemParticipant
I typically would take the first date to the Brooklyn marriot lounge. As it is now closed to non hotel guests, can someone suggest an alternative?
May 14, 2015 11:28 am at 11:28 am #1084846JosephParticipantWhy is it closed?
May 14, 2015 12:35 pm at 12:35 pm #1084847TheGoqParticipantDo they ask to see your room key at the door?
May 14, 2015 12:37 pm at 12:37 pm #1084848akupermaParticipantWho came up with the idea of single couples going to a hotel lobby. To the rest of the world it looks incredibly improper.
May 14, 2015 1:52 pm at 1:52 pm #1084849BigGolemParticipantNew policy after major renovation.
May 14, 2015 2:09 pm at 2:09 pm #1084850Rebbe YidParticipantAkup: Interesting shailah. Is ma’aras ayin only by yidden, who realize it’s legit, or also with respect to what goyim might think, which is as you say?
May 14, 2015 6:01 pm at 6:01 pm #1084851BigGolemParticipantSo, ideas?
May 14, 2015 6:13 pm at 6:13 pm #1084852apushatayidParticipantgo for a walk across the brooklyn bridge
May 14, 2015 7:49 pm at 7:49 pm #1084853WolfishMusingsParticipantEeees and I just went on a date to the Brooklyn Bridge Park on Sunday night. It’s a beautiful park. I even managed to get a stunning shot of lower Manhattan.
While we were there, we saw a number of couples whom we can only assume were on a shidduch date.
The Wolf
May 14, 2015 8:01 pm at 8:01 pm #1084854popa_bar_abbaParticipantWho came up with the idea of single couples going to a hotel lobby. To the rest of the world it looks incredibly improper.
I don’t believe you that it looks remotely improper. I think you say that because you like to criticize.
May 14, 2015 11:12 pm at 11:12 pm #1084857BigGolemParticipantCasual place.
May 15, 2015 1:58 am at 1:58 am #1084858147ParticipantTake a gratis ride on the Staten Island Ferry, gratis in both directions.
If however, you absolutely want the Marriott, there are always the glass elevators @Manhattan Marriott, where you can ride up & down in the glass elevators.
May 15, 2015 3:07 am at 3:07 am #1084859JosephParticipantIsn’t the Marriott-Marquis a popular dating spot on their turning floor on top?
May 15, 2015 4:24 am at 4:24 am #1084860screwdriverdelightParticipantThere’s a sheraton in downtown brooklyn 228 Duffield street, 11201 but it’s very small. For outdoors, you can do the bb, as mentioned, or brooklyn promenade.
May 15, 2015 5:14 am at 5:14 am #1084861marbehshalomParticipantTHEY probably closed because they were packed with yeshiva guys shidduchim.
if they were smart they should just make a minumum order requiremwent.
May 15, 2015 11:57 am at 11:57 am #1084862Rebbe YidParticipantReminds me of that other place (maybe a bar at the South Street Seaport?) that came under fire some years ago for turning away people with black hats and “fringes” because they tended to order only water and linger.
May 15, 2015 1:06 pm at 1:06 pm #1084863TheGoqParticipant“THEY probably closed because they were packed with yeshiva guys shidduchim.
if they were smart they should just make a minumum order requiremwent.”
So are you suggesting the Marriott is anti-semitic or that yeshiva guys are cheap?
May 15, 2015 1:07 pm at 1:07 pm #1084864TheGoqParticipanthmmm ive never had a water with linger whats it taste like?
May 15, 2015 1:20 pm at 1:20 pm #1084865☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantSo are you suggesting the Marriott is anti-semitic or that yeshiva guys are cheap?
I don’t see that either are implied.
May 15, 2015 1:37 pm at 1:37 pm #1084866JosephParticipantHow can you order even soda? The cup could be non-kosher.
May 15, 2015 2:06 pm at 2:06 pm #1084867☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantSo don’t eat the cup.
May 15, 2015 2:28 pm at 2:28 pm #1084868BigGolemParticipantperhaps a cafe is enough
May 15, 2015 2:43 pm at 2:43 pm #1084869apushatayidParticipant“hmmm ive never had a water with linger whats it taste like?”
Probably depends on the person you are with.
May 15, 2015 8:37 pm at 8:37 pm #1084870Rebbe YidParticipantGoq: Linger with water beats linger neat.
Joseph: Sometimes it’s hard to know if you’re serious. In any case. Even assuming that such a glass would be treif, it doesn’t matter. Cold in a treif kli is mutar derech arai YD 121:5 Ramo.
May 15, 2015 9:12 pm at 9:12 pm #1084871BigGolemParticipantAny good cafes?
May 15, 2015 10:26 pm at 10:26 pm #1084872screwdriverdelightParticipantRiver Cafe
1 Water Street
Brooklyn, NY 11201
Phone
718-522-5200
$25 minimum
There’s a site for places to go (where I got the above info.) I’ll send another post with the link. Either it will get approved or it won’t.
May 16, 2015 9:31 pm at 9:31 pm #1084874takahmamashParticipantWho came up with the idea of single couples going to a hotel lobby. To the rest of the world it looks incredibly improper.
I have news for you – the rest of the world cares not a whit about single Jews on dates in hotel lobbies.
May 18, 2015 4:26 am at 4:26 am #1084875BigGolemParticipantSAvor cafe
May 18, 2015 5:58 am at 5:58 am #1084876HaLeiViParticipantThe airport.
May 18, 2015 5:56 pm at 5:56 pm #1084877oyyoyyoyParticipantWOLF- sorry was on a date otherwise wudve said hello. Wasnt so many dates when i was there, mostly married chasidim
May 18, 2015 7:51 pm at 7:51 pm #1084878WolfishMusingsParticipantWOLF- sorry was on a date otherwise wudve said hello. Wasnt so many dates when i was there, mostly married chasidim
How would you have recognized me?
The Wolf
May 18, 2015 8:22 pm at 8:22 pm #1084879Avram in MDParticipantWolfishMusings,
How would you have recognized me?
Given what happened when a coyote was spotted near Battery Park, I guess she’d know you were at the park by the tremendous police response.
May 18, 2015 9:09 pm at 9:09 pm #1084880zahavasdadParticipantThe Waitresses there make most of their money on tips and they split up the tables among themselves. If you only order water or Soda and linger for a long time the waitress will make no money while her table is occupied
May 18, 2015 9:15 pm at 9:15 pm #1084881JosephParticipantZD: I hope you never walk into a store to window shop or just browse the products if you have no intention to make a purchase. The commissioned salesman who wasted his time coming over to you to see if he could help you could have made a commission assisting a real customer. Browsing a store without making any purchase at all is worse than where you’re kvetching the customer is spending money but not enough in your opinion.
May 18, 2015 9:57 pm at 9:57 pm #1084882Matan1ParticipantJoseph, no it’s not. When you walk into a store, there is no guarantee that you will buy anything. The owner and workers know that.
May 18, 2015 10:01 pm at 10:01 pm #1084883JosephParticipantMatan: You missed the point, didn’t you. Explain how ordering a soda in the lounge (as ZD described) is worse than store browsing.
May 18, 2015 10:04 pm at 10:04 pm #1084884👑RebYidd23ParticipantThere is a difference between browsing a store with no intention of making a purchase at any time and browsing the store to decide whether to make a purchase.
May 18, 2015 10:07 pm at 10:07 pm #1084885Matan1ParticipantWhen you go into a store, there is nothing that binds you to buy something. When yo go into a restaurant, one is required to buy something.
(True, there is no amount one has to buy, but waiters and waitresses make next to nothing. Just ordering soda, while allowed, doesn’t seem like a nice thing to do)
May 18, 2015 10:52 pm at 10:52 pm #1084886JosephParticipantJ’accuse 40 years of frum yidden causing widespread c”H with their soda ordering habits on lounge dates.
May 19, 2015 2:17 am at 2:17 am #1084887Matan1ParticipantI think you overacting to what I said. I never said anything about a chillul Hashem. All I said was it’s not a nice thing to do.
May 19, 2015 10:42 pm at 10:42 pm #1084888ObstacleIllusionParticipantThe last time I was at a lounge, between the two of us we got one soda and the rest was water. After 3+ hours my bill was $5. A waiter or waitress is tiped for their service, a drink is all the same to carry regardless of whats in the cup. We use percentages as a metric but it shouldn’t be a hard and fsst rule. I tipped the waitstaff for their wonderful attentiveness with $15 or $20. It’s just rude otherwise and very possibly can be a chillul hashem.
May 19, 2015 11:57 pm at 11:57 pm #1084889JosephParticipantIs it the generally expected normative practice to tip more than the cost of the beverages when drinking soda in a lounge?
May 20, 2015 12:24 am at 12:24 am #1084890popa_bar_abbaParticipantThe last time I was at a lounge, between the two of us we got one soda and the rest was water. After 3+ hours my bill was $5. A waiter or waitress is tiped for their service, a drink is all the same to carry regardless of whats in the cup. We use percentages as a metric but it shouldn’t be a hard and fsst rule. I tipped the waitstaff for their wonderful attentiveness with $15 or $20. It’s just rude otherwise and very possibly can be a chillul hashem.
So if the two of you had also ordered one $2000 drink, you would have tipped $15 or $20?
Obviously not. Because percentage is more than a metric.
May 20, 2015 12:30 am at 12:30 am #1084891popa_bar_abbaParticipantTrue, there is no amount one has to buy, but waiters and waitresses make next to nothing. Just ordering soda, while allowed, doesn’t seem like a nice thing to do
And I think that you just like to think of yeshivish people as not nice, so you find things they do and decide it isn’t nice.
I think that isn’t nice.
May 20, 2015 12:52 am at 12:52 am #1084892☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantSo if the two of you had also ordered one $2000 drink, you would have tipped $15 or $20?
Obviously not. Because percentage is more than a metric.
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May 20, 2015 1:53 am at 1:53 am #1084893zahavasdadParticipantI actually think I heard a Halacha somewhere that one is not allowed to go into a store if one has no intention of buying and never has an intention of buying because you are wasting the salespersons time and might cost him a sale elsewhere
May 20, 2015 2:07 am at 2:07 am #1084894Matan1ParticipantPBA, I was not targeting that statement to Yeshivish people. It was to all people, yeshivish, chasidic, MO, Christian, and everything in-between. Way to put words in my mouth.
May 20, 2015 2:09 am at 2:09 am #1084895JosephParticipantUnless the lounge is full with all tables occupied, a couple sitting at a table that would otherwise had been unoccupied and ordering a couple of inexpensive beverages doesn’t reduce the waiter’s income as otherwise he would have had one less customer. Nor does ordering a couple of beverages take much of his time.
And, additionally, even if it did that is simply the nature of the business and they know and expect that. Some customers come in and order expensive wine and tip accordingly, providing an income far in excess to the effort in serving the customer. And some customers order little and thus don’t pay much. If the joint didn’t accept that they would have instituted a minimum charge for sitting.
May 20, 2015 2:09 am at 2:09 am #1084896☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantBecause we all know that chassidim, MO, and christians all go on dates in hotel lounges.
May 20, 2015 2:12 am at 2:12 am #1084897Matan1ParticipantI don’t know if they do, but my statement was intended for all, not for Yeshivish people like PBA said
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