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I typically would take the first date to the Brooklyn marriot lounge. As it is now closed to non hotel guests, can someone suggest an alternative?
Why is it closed?
Do they ask to see your room key at the door?
Who came up with the idea of single couples going to a hotel lobby. To the rest of the world it looks incredibly improper.
Akup: Interesting shailah. Is ma’aras ayin only by yidden, who realize it’s legit, or also with respect to what goyim might think, which is as you say?
go for a walk across the brooklyn bridge
Eeees and I just went on a date to the Brooklyn Bridge Park on Sunday night. It’s a beautiful park. I even managed to get a stunning shot of lower Manhattan.
While we were there, we saw a number of couples whom we can only assume were on a shidduch date.
The Wolf
Who came up with the idea of single couples going to a hotel lobby. To the rest of the world it looks incredibly improper.
I don’t believe you that it looks remotely improper. I think you say that because you like to criticize.
Take a gratis ride on the Staten Island Ferry, gratis in both directions.
If however, you absolutely want the Marriott, there are always the glass elevators @Manhattan Marriott, where you can ride up & down in the glass elevators.
Isn’t the Marriott-Marquis a popular dating spot on their turning floor on top?
There’s a sheraton in downtown brooklyn 228 Duffield street, 11201 but it’s very small. For outdoors, you can do the bb, as mentioned, or brooklyn promenade.
THEY probably closed because they were packed with yeshiva guys shidduchim.
if they were smart they should just make a minumum order requiremwent.
Reminds me of that other place (maybe a bar at the South Street Seaport?) that came under fire some years ago for turning away people with black hats and “fringes” because they tended to order only water and linger.
“THEY probably closed because they were packed with yeshiva guys shidduchim.
if they were smart they should just make a minumum order requiremwent.”
So are you suggesting the Marriott is anti-semitic or that yeshiva guys are cheap?
hmmm ive never had a water with linger whats it taste like?
So are you suggesting the Marriott is anti-semitic or that yeshiva guys are cheap?
I don’t see that either are implied.
How can you order even soda? The cup could be non-kosher.
So don’t eat the cup.
“hmmm ive never had a water with linger whats it taste like?”
Probably depends on the person you are with.
Goq: Linger with water beats linger neat.
Joseph: Sometimes it’s hard to know if you’re serious. In any case. Even assuming that such a glass would be treif, it doesn’t matter. Cold in a treif kli is mutar derech arai YD 121:5 Ramo.
River Cafe
1 Water Street
Brooklyn, NY 11201
Phone
718-522-5200
$25 minimum
There’s a site for places to go (where I got the above info.) I’ll send another post with the link. Either it will get approved or it won’t.
Who came up with the idea of single couples going to a hotel lobby. To the rest of the world it looks incredibly improper.
I have news for you – the rest of the world cares not a whit about single Jews on dates in hotel lobbies.
The airport.
WOLF- sorry was on a date otherwise wudve said hello. Wasnt so many dates when i was there, mostly married chasidim
WOLF- sorry was on a date otherwise wudve said hello. Wasnt so many dates when i was there, mostly married chasidim
How would you have recognized me?
The Wolf
WolfishMusings,
How would you have recognized me?
Given what happened when a coyote was spotted near Battery Park, I guess she’d know you were at the park by the tremendous police response.
The Waitresses there make most of their money on tips and they split up the tables among themselves. If you only order water or Soda and linger for a long time the waitress will make no money while her table is occupied
ZD: I hope you never walk into a store to window shop or just browse the products if you have no intention to make a purchase. The commissioned salesman who wasted his time coming over to you to see if he could help you could have made a commission assisting a real customer. Browsing a store without making any purchase at all is worse than where you’re kvetching the customer is spending money but not enough in your opinion.
Joseph, no it’s not. When you walk into a store, there is no guarantee that you will buy anything. The owner and workers know that.
Matan: You missed the point, didn’t you. Explain how ordering a soda in the lounge (as ZD described) is worse than store browsing.
There is a difference between browsing a store with no intention of making a purchase at any time and browsing the store to decide whether to make a purchase.
When you go into a store, there is nothing that binds you to buy something. When yo go into a restaurant, one is required to buy something.
(True, there is no amount one has to buy, but waiters and waitresses make next to nothing. Just ordering soda, while allowed, doesn’t seem like a nice thing to do)
J’accuse 40 years of frum yidden causing widespread c”H with their soda ordering habits on lounge dates.
I think you overacting to what I said. I never said anything about a chillul Hashem. All I said was it’s not a nice thing to do.
The last time I was at a lounge, between the two of us we got one soda and the rest was water. After 3+ hours my bill was $5. A waiter or waitress is tiped for their service, a drink is all the same to carry regardless of whats in the cup. We use percentages as a metric but it shouldn’t be a hard and fsst rule. I tipped the waitstaff for their wonderful attentiveness with $15 or $20. It’s just rude otherwise and very possibly can be a chillul hashem.
Is it the generally expected normative practice to tip more than the cost of the beverages when drinking soda in a lounge?
The last time I was at a lounge, between the two of us we got one soda and the rest was water. After 3+ hours my bill was $5. A waiter or waitress is tiped for their service, a drink is all the same to carry regardless of whats in the cup. We use percentages as a metric but it shouldn’t be a hard and fsst rule. I tipped the waitstaff for their wonderful attentiveness with $15 or $20. It’s just rude otherwise and very possibly can be a chillul hashem.
So if the two of you had also ordered one $2000 drink, you would have tipped $15 or $20?
Obviously not. Because percentage is more than a metric.
True, there is no amount one has to buy, but waiters and waitresses make next to nothing. Just ordering soda, while allowed, doesn’t seem like a nice thing to do
And I think that you just like to think of yeshivish people as not nice, so you find things they do and decide it isn’t nice.
I think that isn’t nice.
So if the two of you had also ordered one $2000 drink, you would have tipped $15 or $20?
Obviously not. Because percentage is more than a metric.
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I actually think I heard a Halacha somewhere that one is not allowed to go into a store if one has no intention of buying and never has an intention of buying because you are wasting the salespersons time and might cost him a sale elsewhere
PBA, I was not targeting that statement to Yeshivish people. It was to all people, yeshivish, chasidic, MO, Christian, and everything in-between. Way to put words in my mouth.
Unless the lounge is full with all tables occupied, a couple sitting at a table that would otherwise had been unoccupied and ordering a couple of inexpensive beverages doesn’t reduce the waiter’s income as otherwise he would have had one less customer. Nor does ordering a couple of beverages take much of his time.
And, additionally, even if it did that is simply the nature of the business and they know and expect that. Some customers come in and order expensive wine and tip accordingly, providing an income far in excess to the effort in serving the customer. And some customers order little and thus don’t pay much. If the joint didn’t accept that they would have instituted a minimum charge for sitting.
Because we all know that chassidim, MO, and christians all go on dates in hotel lounges.
I don’t know if they do, but my statement was intended for all, not for Yeshivish people like PBA said
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