Maricopa county audit

Surprising news is being reported today by the media about the audit results.
A Gut Moed and Gut Shabbos to all.

TVOP -“If the audit indeed confirms Bidens victory, I will say money well spent, and I am much more confident in the elections process”

You’re falling into the DemonCrat Trap!
That’s Not where the Fraud Lies.

From the News in Aug. 2021:
“The Maricopa County Board of Supervisors and Dominion Voting Systems refused Monday to provide additional material requested in subpoenas from Republicans in the Arizona Senate.
Arizona Senate President Karen Fann and Republican Senator Warren Petersen issued the subpoenas on July 26, seeking materials to help private contractors finish a controversial audit of Maricopa County’s November election ballots.
The subpoena demanded that Maricopa County and Dominion provide routers that were used in the elections, security information for accessing tabulating machines, network data logs, mail-ballot envelopes, certain voter registration records and any records related to alleged data breaches around the time of the election.
Maricopa County again refused to turn over its routers, citing possible security risks. Thomas Liddy, a county attorney, said that producing the equipment could expose “confidential data belonging to Maricopa County citizens” or make law enforcement’s communications’ infrastructure “extremely vulnerable to hackers.”
Liddy also said that previous audits demonstrated the tabulation equipment was never connected to the Internet and that the county already, etc.”

Why Not?
The State Senate in Arizona can’t keep things private?
Just because the US Congress and Senate have leakers doesn’t mean e/o in this country is.
If you would have watched Lindell’s Documentary you’d know how they switched the Votes.
Especially listen to Lamsland speech about Antrim County, Michigan.

Trump won the 2020 election, but he is not going to fight for it, because this country will now know what it’s like to have a Lib Leader like Biden.
I’ll give one example – how many American Soldiers were killed running out of Afghanistan, which we had previously under a Democratic Leadership there?!?

Coffee- TVOP stated that there were leaked documents released on handwritten ballot tallies. He said he is waiting to see what the audit says when it is released at 4. Then reb E jumped in on the same misread.
😒

TVOP -“If the Arizona senate is happy with the agreement-which they are-then so am I.”

What you don’t understand is – the reason that the Senate is happy isn’t because they believe Trump lost Arizona, but the agreement is all about Money.

So do you really care who Won the 2020 Presidential election?!?
From AZCentral News:
“The county provided the vast majority of what was requested. But they did not provide the county’s routers or copies of routers, which are not used to transfer election results. The county also did not provide certain administrative passwords to voting machines, saying they did not have them and the Senate would need to get them from Dominion Voting Systems.”

That is the Key.
Go listen to M. Lindell’s Documentary and Stop believing the Fake News!
It was in the Dominion Election System that Trump lost the 2020 election.
They switched the Votes.
Lamsland makes a good point in the Documentary – if Nothing is connected to the Internet – how are election workers watching Movies when they are doing Tabulations?!?
E/o saw that.
The US is worse than Cuba or China!

Welp they’ve released the full report. The two key findings are that

1. A hand recount confirms the official numbers and Biden won by 45,000 votes
2. About 9,000 people who voted Democrat via ballots they received in the mail don’t list the addressed the ballots were sent to as their primary address

Make of that what you will.

torahval, what is true is not fake news even if leaked.

@torahvaluesoverparty Cyber Ninjas is a cyber security group and they structured their report like a cyber security report. Which is great for me since I literally read reports like that for a living.

First let me apologize, I wrote “Biden won by 45,000 votes” before checking the numbers. According to the Cyber Ninjas report, it was Trump 995,665 and Biden 1,040,774. This differs from the initial count by a few hundred votes on either side.

The report details multiple findings that were investigated and ranked them from “Informational” to “Critical”. (In a standard security report, everything other than “High” and “Critical” is usually not considered problematic). The report showed one “Critical” and two “High” findings, totaling around 40,000 votes (of which only around 15,000 were votes for Democrat).

Each finding showed a breakdown of how many votes it affected and what those votes were for. In almost every finding, the votes came out to about the same percentages as the final tally. So even if you would take every single finding super seriously and discount each and every vote that the issue affected, you would be throwing out around nine Republican votes for every ten Democrat votes (plus a few Libertarian and “Other”) . The final tally would be a few tens of thousands of votes less, but Biden would still be ahead.

I haven’t had a chance to read the stuff in the report about the voting machines, so I’ll comment when I get to that.

@torahvaluesoverparty That’s not how US presidential elections work. If Trump would have lost the county by less votes, he still would have lost the county and the electoral vote still go to Biden. Even though in this hypothetical situation most Arizonians would have voted Trump, the electoral system would still give the state to Biden.

The Cyber Ninjas report showed an exact count of Trump and Biden votes in Maricopa and the result was still a win for Biden by about 45,000 votes.

OK, now on to the voting machines. Now, I know this is going to disappoint a lot of you, @Health in particular, but none of the hacking claims pushed by Lindell and his ilk were mentioned. I think that’s part of the reason why they buried it in the second half of the report with far fewer pretty diagrams and charts.

The major findings focused on missing data, specifically a hard drive that was wiped and a series pictures of scans of ballots that was corrupted and unreadable. Other than that, they had reams of data and devices which they used to pull all sorts of logs and images from. They showed, for instance, that one device attempted to make a connection to Microsoft and Google during the time it was supposed to be used for voting. The report is trying to make the missing data out to be a lot more nefarious than it probably is, “The data is missing so that’s where the proof must be hidden”. They even spend several pages detailing all the devices that they were unable to get access to or devices that were wiped when the got them.

So there’s really no smoking gun. Just a whole lot of literal nothing.

@torahvaluesoverparty You’re right about the electoral college, that was my mistake mixing up how the country elects a president vs how a state determines their electors.

The rest of my comment still stands, though. Trump would need 10,000 votes over Biden to win. But nothing in the audit report even came close to that. The biggest batches of “questionable” votes were still proportionately a mixture of Democrat, Republican, and other. So throwing those out won’t even change the final popular vote.

@torahvaluesoverparty The full details of the report I found on a site called azfamily dotcom (“Full Report: Cyber Ninja’s results on election audit”) which links to a document titled “Maricopa County Forensic Election Audit Volume III: Result Details”. It includes exact counts for every single finding which shows a proportional amount of D and R votes in each finding.

And we aren’t going to talk about other counties, because of a comment very early on in this thread:

I know that if the R’s in Maricopa complete the audit to their satisfaction, and come up with nothing, I personally will be far more confident the election overall was secure.

The R’s completed the audit in Maricopa to their satisfaction and came up with nothing. So why aren’t you confident in the security of the election and are now worrying about places that aren’t Maricopa?

Yesr -“Now, I know this is going to disappoint a lot of you, @Health in particular, but none of the hacking claims pushed by Lindell and his ilk were mentioned. I think that’s part of the reason why they buried it in the second half of the report with far fewer pretty diagrams and charts.”

That’s funny!
You have No clue what they are.
The change occurs overseas.
This was proven in Michigan.

TVAP,
I was answering your accusation that the media lied when it said that the results showed that Biden won by a bigger margin.

What else do you want me to answer?
The supposed issues brought up by cyber ninjas have all been answered by Maricopa County.
Many of it is actually very embarrassing to CyberNinjas since they show that CN’s do not know how elections legally work and are run in this country for 243 years.

I am not answering hypotheticals. If you believe in hypotheticals there was never a need for the audit.
The election was secure and was testified to and validated by multiple audits before CN was called in.
I can only say what every other outsider can say about Maricopa County and other places – the people responsible for running the election are 100% sure that the election was secure.
They are so positive, that even though as republicans they wanted Trump to win, they told him and his cohorts to jump in the lake when they were being pressured. The Justice Department did the same.
Cyber Ninja found no evidence of fraud. They validated the election for Biden.
A few lawyers have been sanctioned and might even lose their licenses to practice law because they brought baloney lawsuits.

@torahvaluesoverparty Again, statistics. You can’t expect that the percentages are going to be exact, there’s going to be discrepancies give or take about five to ten percent, (unless you’re dealing with astronomically high sample and population sizes). Furthermore in Maricopa County, Biden won 49% of the vote compared to Trump’s 47%, not 49-49. So a sample of the votes only differed by less than 5% which is well within the expected range.

You’re right, we can’t know for sure that all registered D voted Biden, all registered R voted Trump, plus the “prefer not to say”. But we absolutely can make an educated estimate based on about a million different factors. And that estimate says that the numbers are close enough.

You keep referring to the Cyber Ninjas’ findings as “fraud” and “bad ballots”, but even by their own report that’s not true. It’s simply minor errors and discrepancies that don’t really mean anything in the long term. Like what were their big issues, ballots were sent to the wrong address? Ballots without the voters full name on it? I highly doubt that a similar audit performed on any other county in the world will find anything radically different.

@torahvaluesoverparty Not the whole Arizona, just Maricopa County. Don’t start goalpost movements. You’re essentially admitting that the Maricopa audit found nothing but won’t change your opinion because maybe a different county that wasn’t audited had more issues. I don’t know, why stop there? Maybe Trump won with 85% of the vote because every city, state, and county in the US didn’t spend three months meticulously detailing every wrong address a ballot was sent to, you can’t prove it wrong!

The “bad” ballots were the issues that crop up when dealing with two million humans. The largest batch of “bad” ballots had the issue that they were sent to the wrong address. If I had two million letters to send out and only less than 2% were addressed wrong, I would call that a resounding success. So no, you can’t just throw them out. And even if you could, Biden would still have a lead.

The audit proves nothing and strongly indicates there was no fraud and there’s zero evidence that fraud was committed anywhere else. Can we please put this to rest?

@syag-lchochma I get that and respect your opinion. But, on the other hand, this was a very closely watched election and this was an extremely intensive and detailed audit. The fact that nothing was found significant enough to warrant a second look (much less overturn the election) should be a pretty big indication that any fraud that was committed probably had little effect on who won.

@torahvaluesoverparty First off, the goalpost movement was you mentioning other counties. We are not discussing other counties nor other states. What we are discussing is whether the Cyber Ninja audit of Maricopa County proves enough fraud to swing Arizona to Trump or not.

We can’t hold a conversation like this when you keep fudging the facts. No, this tiny little batch of ballots was not more than 2x necessary to swing the election. It wasn’t even close. Unless the insanely unlikely circumstances occurred where each and every voter, whether registered Republican, Democrat, or other, was for Biden.

Second, even if there’s an agreement to throw out these ballots, there’s still no evidence of anything worse than some address mistakes. I don’t know how you are drawing the line from “A bunch of ballots were sent to the wrong addresses” to “there was definitely fraud committed”.

@syag-lchochma The only speculation I see is from those who keep saying that they speculate how there may have been enough fraud to swing the election. Since we have yet to see any evidence of fraud on such a massive scale, we are forced to conclude that there was in all likelihood no more fraud than usual, probably on both sides cancelling each other out.

@torahvaluesoverparty You’ve repeatedly said comments along the lines of “OK that’s fine for Maricopa, but what about the other counties?”. If nothing is found in Maricopa which, if memory serves correctly, has over half the votes of the entire Arizona, the likelihood of 10,000 fraudulent votes being “found” in the other districts is astronomically low. So there’s really no purpose in talking hypotheticals about the rest of AZ.

Anyhoo, on to the main point. You keep on discussing the “bad” ballots as if there’s no question that they were fraudulent. You have yet to address the fact that the vast majority of these are considered “bad” merely because they were possibly sent to the wrong address. (The issue was that the database the Cyber Ninjas used and the database the county used to look up addresses had discrepancies in about 2% of the addresses, so there’s no guarantee which database was more correct). And while I agree that it was very close and every bit counts, at the end of the day it was still less than 2% of the total ballots that were “bad” which is an incredibly small number and far more reasonable to chalk up to error than fraud.

“Nobody is disagreeing that there is fraud in American elections, even in this election.”

good, then we are in agreement. Yserbius (I couldn’t remember if it was you too or just he) said a few times that there was no fraud in this election, that there was found to be no fraud etc. When you exaggerate the facts, it diminishes your credibility as a “reporter”. I was just telling him to stop saying it if he wanted us to think his statements were actually founded in truth.

“The issue is whether there was a MASSIVE conspiracy”

I know what your issues were, I wasn’t addressing them at all. As I said, I just think it is important to present facts as they are. He tends to embellish facts and then wonders why nobody is taking him at his word so I was hoping to give him a helpful hint.

“criminal conclusion on January 6th of attacking the Capitol.”

hmm…this sounds vaguely familiar…was this part of that steele dossier thing?

just kidding. really. totally not going back to the trump talks.