Maricopa county audit

Yesr -“All she said was what some of other Trump supporting poll watchers said: “There was shady stuff going on, pretty sure about that, but I can’t give specifics”. Literally thousands of people watching polling sites for the slightest wrong move, and the strongest witness testimonies all seem to be these vague statements like “We were told to leave the room so there may have been fraud then” or “There was voter intimidation but I don’t know who, how, where, or when”.

When will you Stop the lying?!?
The poll watchers were put far away from observating the counting!
The DemonCrats are like that Nazi who said -“If you repeat a lie enough times, it becomes believable”.

“Apparently she was a temp that was there for a few days. She never gave any details to what she saw beyond what you’ve already wrote. She didn’t say what day it happened on, what time, the words that were spoken, how many times she saw it happen, or any details that could have lead to any legal action.”

It was at the beginning of her assignment.
They were given orders from their Supervisors!
This is called Corruption!

“The complaint, relying on affidavits from Jacob and others, alleges poll workers were instructed by election officials to not verify signatures on absentee ballots and process them regardless of their validity.”

Do you see in this statement “and others”?!?
Do you only rely on the Fake News to get all your information?!?

@Health Right now, what we’re arguing is whether or not a statement given by an individual alleging fraud has any truthiness if they refuse to name names, places, or times under oath. Myself (and pretty much every lawyer on the planet) says no. You say otherwise. Let’s move on.

You are continuing to ignore the specific cases and rebuttals I brought down in favor of this NewsMax non-story about a woman alleging fraud. Nu?

@Health I’m sorry, but for my and your own mental health I think I’m going to have to stop you here. You are not sounding like a reasonable person. You’re repeating half-truths while ignoring whole-truths. You’re not being calm and rational, you’re just using exclamation points everywhere and calling everyone who doesn’t agree with you 100% as “Liberal” or “Leftist”.

Please take things down a notch or ten and stick to facts. Then maybe we can talk.

wow health where’d you get those numbers from?

@Health Then don’t debate! If you don’t want to accept my word and the value of my sources, then look up the sources yourself. Start by ignoring fake news like Russia Today, NewsMax, OAN, and DonaldJTrump dotcom. See what media from opposing sides have to say (i.e. FoxNews and CNN). If you read a story that was written when the event was still ongoing (i.e. “A polling judge is going to court over the fraud she saw”) find a follow up story to see what happened with it (“Polling judge who alleges fraud could not give a single concrete example and demonstrated a lack of knowledge of how polling works”). An easy way to research is to look at the bottom of a Wikipedia page and read the sources. There’s a few dozen pertaining to the fraud allegations on the page “2020 United States Presidential Elections” alone.

Good luck!

Yserbius,

Who says newsmax and oan are reporting fake news?

That might answer your problem

To get back to the original question – if it wasn’t obvious before, it’s becoming even more obvious now that this is not an audit. It’s a hunt for even the flimsiest thread of evidence to hang a predetermined conclusion. What are democrats afraid of? Maybe they dislike confirmation bias nothingburgers — they have no calories, no fat, no nutritional value, but they taste disgusting and jam up the system with endless debate over nothingness. So called auditors are determined to find something. Will it be evidence? Doesn’t matter. Whatever they find, OAN and Newsmax will run with it, and a sizeable chunk of the country will believe it. The claims here by Torahvalues and Health, no doubt the echo of an echo chamber, that this is an openminded inquiry is too disingenuous for words.

So called auditors are looking for bamboo to prove that the ballots came from Asia.

The justice department has expressed concerns that the audit may violate federal law because safeguards are not being adequately safeguarded.

How ironic would it be if the so called auditors claimed to find the fraud they were desperately looking for, but in so doing they destroyed the evidence so no one could verify their findings. That would provide a satisfactory conclusion to the 2020 election. On the other hand, maybe that’s the whole point.

If you still believe there was fraud, nothing in the world will convince you otherwise. Democrats and normal republicans do not need to keep humoring you because it will never end.

se2015 – How many SN’S on YWN do you have?
Are you like me that only has one?

“It’s a hunt for even the flimsiest thread of evidence to hang a predetermined conclusion.
The claims here by Torahvalues and Health, no doubt the echo of an echo chamber, that this is an open minded inquiry is too disingenuous for words.”

LOL.
I couldn’t care less if Arizona finds anything or not!
Ya’See I watched M. Lindel’s documentary a long time ago.
I believe the experts that this Election was Stolen!

All the Lying Libs can come up with to counter the Documentary – is Lindel’s is a Nut, it’s a Conspiracy theory, etc.
The problem with that was he was just the MC.
They never watched the Documentary, so they don’t even know that.
If you want to argue against 3 experts – you have to bring other experts saying the opposite!
But the DemonCrats already know that whatever they say – The DemonCrat Sheep will Believe!
All the DemonCrat Leaders had to do is Discredit Mike Lindel or anyone else that had the Guts to Stand Up against the PC!

TVAP,

An example of what you are saying when the shoe is on the other foot.

Due to the new laws enacted by the republicans, democrats do not trust the process in the 43 states that the republican proposed at least 250 new election laws..
Therefore, if democrats lose – especially in republican states – like Florida and Georgia, the states must be ready to satisfy every accusation of stealing the elections.
The states should be ready for countless lawsuits and endless recounts.
A tiny unknown firm called ‘cyber sushi’ with no experience in auditing elections ,run by a democrat , will be hired to audit the process even after multiple recounts.
Democrats will hire crazy lawyers (who will be losing their law licenses and going to jail) go on national TV every day repeating claims that they heard. They are the Democrats “Strike Force” and they will be ready the night of the elections to announce that they are not conceding and the election was stolen.
The states should be ready for every crazy theory – from ballots shipped in from the far east to dead people voting.

No politician will be considered duly elected or legitimate until all the lawsuits have been resolved!!!!

This will be the new normal.
We might even gather outside the state capitols.

Just like you have been accommodated, we will demand to be accommodated.

America is anxiously awaiting.

Dear Health,

We most definitely will stand by and do nothing. Watching real life on television without experiencing it, is the most quintessential American activity.

Dear Torahvaluesoverparty,

I take it you live in a blue state. That has been heavily blue for decades. And the Republican politicians that you are familiar with, are part of the moral majority etc. Other regions in the country are very different. Hello? We are discussing Arizona!

The legislative battle in Arizona is over voting rights. If the Republican party actually splits, Arizona is a likely ground zero.

Being budget conscious is a big deal in Arizona. Goldwater until McCain. It was never a conservative values state. And Trump really piled on McCain for no reason. He is like the Abraham Lincoln of Arizona. That Arizona is even mildly purple is absolutely shocking.

The main fight is over who can vote in the next election. The Upton faction of Arizona is probably not even half of the republicans. The Latinos just started voting in large numbers, and they are voting Democrat. That is the struggle over restricting voter rights.

Now a question for you. If Trump is so convinced that he won, why will he not pay for any optional recounts or audits?

Sen. Paul Boyer, a Republican who represents a suburb of Phoenix, told the publication that he initially supported and voted for the audit but that he regretted doing so after seeing how poorly it was being conducted.

“It makes us look like idiots,” Boyer said. “Looking back, I didn’t think it would be this ridiculous. It’s embarrassing to be a state senator at this point.”

@Health You only mentioned and quoted from two sources so that’s what I stuck with. Apparently, you consider sources such as Fox News, Jerusalem Post, and DailyWire too liberal and therefore completely untrustworthy. So I suggest you take a second look at your own opinions.

Have they found any bamboo in the ballots? Has forensics turned up any traces of soy sauce? If anyone finds a hummus stain, we’ll know sabra infiltrated the arizona department of state.

What are the results of the great hunt for nonexistent watermarks on ballots that voted for Biden? A scheme so duplicitous, they somehow also removed the watermarks from the trump ballots so they could fit in.

I have to admit, I am having some doubts about the Texas, Florida and North Carolina presidential election results. I hope the republican legislatures in those states also conduct full audits to satisfy my personal sense of certitude that Biden won those states.

I know two people who committed election fraud in 2020. One lives in a blue state and voted in a swing state they left years ago. The other was not registered to vote, but attempted to vote to prove how easy it is to vote if you don’t have to show ID. Person A voted, Person B was unsuccessful. Both bigly into trump. Based on my personal knowledge, about 100% of election fraud was committed by trump supporters with a 50% success rate. I can sign an afterdavit to that effect. A noderized afterdavit. That is written proof that translates to millions, maybe tens of millions of votes that should have gone to Biden.

I think the Southern Poverty Law Center should be entrusted with the audit. Why not, an audit is not rocket science, expertise is elitist nonsense, they’re super transparent as far as saying stuff I like to hear, so why would in world would Texas, Florida and North Carolina object unless they were hiding something. Makes you wonder.

“But yes, if millions of democrats demanded an audit in those states, I’d welcome it.”

Sure you would. That fact that democrats don’t, and didn’t in 2016, is because for all their shortcomings, they don’t spin conspiracy theories that undermine the electoral process and then demand an “audit” to “restore” faith in the democratic process all the while further eroding faith in democracy. (And don’t say Russia hoax. every investigation confirmed Russian interference; the question that remained was whether the interference was solicited or merely welcomed). Truth is, the only ones getting hurt by this is the Republican Party. Democrats could care less about the results of the audit itself which is meaningless as far as 2020 goes, but are rather concerned that its supposed findings will be used as a pretext to limit voting rights. The inevitable “shocking” results of the audit and the airtime in the trump echo chamber will cause Republicans to lose faith in voting. It’s what happened in the Georgia runoff. If you keep lying that elections are rigged, your team will start believing you.

TVOP -“Hmm…data erased days before being handed over, passwords are “missing”.”

You’re falling into the Trap laid by the ones who committed Insurection against Trump.
The whole thing that Trump lost is an Invention by the Far Leftists!
They made 2 impeachments against him based on their TDS Insanity!

They couldn’t let him win the 2020 election by hook or by crook.
The fact was Hillary had 3mil more than Trump, but Trump won the Electoral College.
If you look at the Stats – Trump was more popular in 2020, than 2016.
In 2016 – he won Pa., Mi, Wisconsin, Az, & Ga.

What changed, if not for changing some rules & a lot of Fraud?!?
They planned this Fraud for Two years.
The Republican legislators know that they shouldn’t have ever certified the Election for Biden!
But now they are ashamed with what they did & trying to save Face with their Constituents.
The same thing with those other States that Trump won in 2016.

@Health Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. And your claims are pretty extraordinary. And your evidence is pretty… let’s say… less than extraordinary.

@Health I have one screen name on this site, I think? Maybe I accidentally created another? I dunno.

Anyhoo, none of what you said is evidence. The lawsuits, as I mentioned, all just said vague statements that there may have been tampering, but no one can confirm. Not one shred of evidence strong enough to even be admissible to court has been proven.

@coffee-addict I believe those two fringe anti-evolution scientists not because they are the smartest or have the greatest reasoning, but because I have emunah in Hashem and His Torah. Are you saying that you believe NewsMax only because you have emunah in Trump?

@Health You’re just posting the same Jessy Jacob article that we’ve already discussed. Turns out, not only could she not identify a single specific example of voter intimidation, but she was also clueless about how the balloting system even worked and a lot of her claims were her not understanding what was happening.

That’s why I don’t trust the NewsMax version of this story. Their only mentions of Ms. Jacob was her initial accusations from December 2020. They never posted any followups, like her ignorance, or how she couldn’t state any specifics. They’re currently trying to bury the story by pretending that it never happened. Fortunately, a quick Google search brings up dozens of articles about her.

@Health The specific thing you mentioned about changing ballot dates was her not understanding how the system works and ignorance of what she was being asked to do. So again, extraordinary claims, extraordinary evidence. A claim that can’t even be admissible to court isn’t even ordinary evidence, it’s literally nothing.