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March 12, 2019 11:17 am at 11:17 am #1693557
Manhattan is considered mukaf chomos for shabbos – it is surrounded by halachic walls (except for the fact that the bridges are mevatel the mechitzas for shabbos and the issue of 600,000 people etc).
Wouldn’t that make it also mukaf chomos for Purim, meaning, that at least l’chumra, one should also keep Shushan Purim in Manhatten?
March 12, 2019 12:18 pm at 12:18 pm #1693603JosephParticipantSee Rav Moshe’s psak about an eiruv in Manhattan.
March 12, 2019 12:18 pm at 12:18 pm #1693617lowerourtuition11210Participantt has to be mukaf chomah from the time of Yehoshua.
March 12, 2019 12:26 pm at 12:26 pm #1693639lower – “as to be mukaf chomah from the time of Yehoshua.” do you think Manhatten wasn’t an island at the time of yehoshua?! The “chomos” of shabbos should apply to Purim!
March 12, 2019 12:44 pm at 12:44 pm #1693641funnyboneParticipantR. Shmuel Dishon was once in Manhattan when he met an acquaintance who said, “good afternoon, R. Dishon.” R. Dishon responded that it was only 10:00 AM, it wasn’t noon yet. “In Manhattan it is always after noon shaarei tumah!”
My response is that the chomos of tumah don’t count as chomos for Purim.
In case someone thinks this makes sense, you drank too much too early.March 12, 2019 1:05 pm at 1:05 pm #1693650akupermaParticipantThe city was founded too recently. The previous inhabitants had some small villages, but nothing big (in part since they thought it unwise to build large communities next to a coast that frequently gets hit by hurricanes).
March 12, 2019 1:06 pm at 1:06 pm #1693648funnybone – is “noon” reserved only for “nun sha’arei tumah”?! Nun is also the nun sha’arei binah. Reminder that Torah was given on the 50th day!
March 12, 2019 1:50 pm at 1:50 pm #1693664apushatayidParticipantthis year they will be celebrating on the yom haknisa, st. patricks day which is earlier in the week.
March 12, 2019 1:50 pm at 1:50 pm #1693667CaptainBump™BlockedIn MANhattan only men can drink. If women want to drink they should change the name to WOMANhattan.
March 12, 2019 1:52 pm at 1:52 pm #1693671Neville ChaimBerlinParticipant“do you think Manhatten wasn’t an island at the time of yehoshua?!”
Possibly not. My understanding is that it’s largely man made.
March 12, 2019 1:53 pm at 1:53 pm #1693698akup – what is considered a city?village?
Can there be a “city” with only one inhabitant? Is there a minimum population for it to be called a “city”?
And how far can the chomos be from the inhabitants? Does the chomos need to be within daled amos of the inhabitants? A city/village that has it’s fields and surrounding lands enclosed by chomos – would describe Manhattan of old!
As a side issue: what is considered a ‘choma” – only a thick wall?! What about a picket fence??
But nachzor l’inyoneinu: why would you think the villagers didn’t consider the chomos of the island as their chomos?
March 12, 2019 2:55 pm at 2:55 pm #1693701CaptainBump™BlockedMy understanding is that it’s largely man made.
Proving my point.
March 12, 2019 3:23 pm at 3:23 pm #1693770☕️coffee addictParticipantCan there be a “city” with only one inhabitant? Is there a minimum population for it to be called a “city”?
The משנה in מגילה says עירות are places with 10 “בטלנים” less is a village
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