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If this happens, what do people do?
I don’t understand the question.
Take them.
Mandatory vaccines are legal in a public health emergency. Jacobson v. Massachusetts, 1905.
Uh, take the vaccination?
Either take the vaccine or have an N-95 mask surgically implanted over your mouth and nose.
If the vaccine works, it won’t be necessary for 100% of the people to take it. As long as enough people take it, it will stop the pandemic.
What I’m wondering is, how do we know there won’t be serious side-effects that only show up after a few years? I guess we have to trust the medical experts on that.
“What right do you have to tell others to take it?”
I don’t have that right. But the government does. I cited the Supreme Court case.
You don’t like that? You are living in the wrong country.
rightwriter…..I suspect most of the CR posters have figuratively had masks sewn on for the past several months and understand that we will probably have to continue wearing masks for at least several months after being vaccinated. Yes, there are yidden whose reckless and mindless behavior …edited… but most yidden have followed the guidelines. The best estimates now is that the U.S. will need at least 200 million vaccinated before the “herd immunity’ from a combination of vaccine induced antibodies and those who have already had the Covid can be relied upon.
rightwriter, i’m with you, and here’s a poem i’m dedicating to the topic.
<i>Must i agree to tie my own noose?
I firmly believe in our right to choose,
and I don’t know how on earth we’d lose,
if only a critical mass would refuse!</i>In Germany, what was legal was grossly immoral. Now’s no different. We need Meir Kahane A”H to stand front and center, and shout Never Again!
“We need Meir Kahane A”H to stand front and center, and shout Never Again!”
Acutally, we need Gadolei Yisroel to speak with a clear and single voice and call out the few among them who have allowed such disgusting actions as the “Satmar 7000 potential rochztim wedding” and say Never Again should any group of yidden hold such events until we have a sufficiently high level of vaccination. edited* There is a deafening silence form other Jewish leaders aside from Dov Hikind. What the Satmar did and what other copycats may do will likely result in dangerous levels of covid transmission before we have herd immunity through vaccination.
* better, but not enough
So when do/don’t we choose to trust doctors/scientists?
Whatever damage a vaccine can cause is certainly less than COVID-19. Something like one out of every twenty people who get COVID have terrible, possibly permanent, damage. And out of those, one out of every 100 dies. There has never been a vaccine that has even come close to the damage that COVID-19 causes.
Wow. Your comments are all sickening.
sickening? You must be new here.
I am not sure why you think the vaccine is untested. It was tested, we just don’t have any long term data.I personally have no intentions of getting the vaccine. I have antibodies and would rather not waste a dose that could be used by someone else. I do not advocate taking superfluous medications or vaccines but I don’t skip the important ones. If anyone is tired of being locked up and masked in their livingroom, I think this vaccine is the perfect shaliach for rescue.
rightwriter – if you prefer sitting in your house, forever segregated from family and friends, I have no problem with that. If you prefer wearing an approved mask and social distancing at all times outside your house, than I have no problem with that either. But if you are going to expose yourself to others who may be infected, and then expose others to yourself, then in that case I would ask you to be vaccinated. Exactly because it is NOT just about you. My desire is to stop the spread. I don’t really care how you do it.
When I was having children, standard ultrasounds were fairly new. They were only recommended for high risk situations, one time only to determine dates, and a second time at 20 weeks ONLY for those who refused amnio testing. There were no long term affects studies on the affect of ultrasound on babies in utero. Some will even say the tremendous uptick in ADHD and autism coincided with the increased use of ultrasounds. I’m wondering if you would have made a stink over these ultrasounds for their lack of testing as well, or is this just an anti vax bandwagon. (I don’t know you so I do not know which it is) I, for one, opted out of unnecessary ultrasounds but I wasn’t leaving myself at risk of exposure during a pandemic by doing so. just wondering your thoughts.
“So when do/don’t we choose to trust doctors/scientists?”
We trust doctors/scientists since Rav Sherira Gaon over a thousand years go. Anyone who doesn’t has departed from a thousand year old minhag. Such a person is as non-frum as someone who breaks into someone’s mail and reads it.
We trust doctors/scientists since Rav Sherira Gaon over a thousand years go.
And that’s why no one has ever filed a malpractice lawsuit, and that’s why all scientists agree on everything.
The question is can the state mandate what you do with your body. If so then why can’t the state dictate whether someone gets pregnate or gets an abortion.
Rightwriter- you don’t give the impression you actually read my post or heard what I said before you gave some prepared responses that don’t shtim with the content.
Syag, have you checked the stats on how many recover from this virus?
Yes. Almost daily.
How come you weren’t this vocal about everyone getting a flu shot?
??? I didn’t bring it up, i was responding to your post. If you’d like we can discuss the flu shot as well.
And what if people already had it and have antibodies
Do they also need a vaccine?If you’d read my post you’d know that already
Aside for the fact that fauci and co. still want everyone masked up and apart vaccined or not. Is that telling or something? Population control? Hmmm makes you wonder…
Wonder about what?
Who said everyone on the planet is sick with the virus or carrying it!
That’s the point. Only 2-3% of the planet has gotten it so far. The purpose of the vaccine is to prevent it from going thru most of the other 97%
If a number of individuals choose to take the vaccine then that should already lower the pandemic numbers or be close to stopping it if that’s even possible.
Exactly
So why stop there, why don’t everyone be required to take every vaccine out there in order to eliminate the chance of ever getting sick?
Because the other diseases aren’t running rampant thru the earths population right now. Even if most covid 19 patients survive, it’s still pretty unpleasant to downright hellish to fatal. And it’s running rampant. So that’s why we are discussing it.
“If the state can mandate what you do with your body, then why can’t the state dictate whether someone gets pregnate “…
Several reasons. First, getting “pregnate” requires TWO people to be participants and even then, there is no guarantee. Second, and perhaps more to the point, the SCOTUS decision cited earlier was not a per se mandate for getting vaccinated but the right of state or local government to make vaccination a prerequisite for someone to participate in certain public activities where there failure to get vaccinated poses a threat to others. If you wanted to live in your basement and not step foot outside, there is no such legal mandate.CharlieHall,
Here’s what that case actually said:“In every well ordered society charged with the duty of conserving the safety of its members the rights of the individual in respect of his liberty may at times, under the pressure of great dangers, be subjected to such restraint.” And then: Furthermore, the Court held that mandatory vaccinations are not arbitrary or oppressive so long as they do not “go so far beyond what was reasonably required for the safety of the public”.
The context of this decision was a smallpox epidemic, which qualifies as a “great danger”. Per Wikipedia smallpox has a mortality rate of 30%, and the rest were disfigured for life. Comparing smallpox to COVID with a 99.5% recovery rate is disingenuous.
But at least we can agree that this requirement should also apply to immigrants before they are let into our country – correct?
Firstly it’s no longer a “if” , it’s happening and honestly while I oppose the vaccine for several reasons I honestly don’t think there will be a way around it , because they won’t let us travel send to school get medical attention etc . What I find really is funny is that there so many people that can see this whole virus was abused and is just to gain control etc but they’ll still take the vaccine. It’s funny how some people will put things in there body without even knowing what’s inside , and even tho they only have tiny amount of data , people will still trust them , . But In all seriousness I see no way around it , cause these vaccines are just gonna keep on coming it won’t be just one . #NWO
It’s also really funny how some people decide that if you do something they wouldn’t do it’s because you’re ignorant
Firstly it’s no longer a “IF” , it’s happening already , and it’ll be here very soon , you won’t be able to fly , get medical attention, send to school etc . I honestly think there will be no way around it , there will be multiple vaccines every season or two .
I do find it interesting how the same people that are very into letting people do what they want with there bodies , all of a sudden now feel like they can demand we take the vaccine.
Also its funny how some people can see that this whole virus thing was abused by the Govt and how it’s really overrated and makes no sense , and still take the vaccine .
It’s also interesting how some people will put things in there body without knowing what it contains , I mean there are some disturbing things in there , and especially when there’s no substantial amount of data ( the fastest vaccine to ever be developed took Five years ) . But honestly if people would start questioning things and start thinking freely we might be able to stop this , but probably not cause They are way to powerful . #NWO@Theprophet Can you explain your moshol of “do what you want with your bodies”? I think the same people who say “My body my choice” (hameivin yavin) accept to live with the consequences, so to over here, it’s your choice not to take the vaccine and accept the consequences of remaining cloistered from everyone else.
I agree that people should be knowledgeable of what they put into their bodies. That’s why I have trouble with those who insist on only “organic” foods and “homeopathic” medicine. There are too many non-FDA approved chemicals that go into making that junk.
My health isn’t the governments concern . If you believe that an unvaccinated person is a threat to a vaccinated person , you don’t believe in vaccines .
Forced medicine is a crime .@Theprophet But what about my health? The reason I want you vaccinated is not because I’m worried about your health, it’s because vaccines are only about 90% effective, so if you’re sick there’s a 10% chance I can catch it too!
Unless you’re willing to stay in lockdown for your whole life, please please please get vaccinated so we don’t have to worry about getting people ill. Especially vulnerable people who can’t get vaccinated themselves.
“smallpox has a mortality rate of 30%, and the rest were disfigured for life. Comparing smallpox to COVID with a 99.5% recovery rate is disingenuous.”
COVID does not have a 99.5% recovery rate. I just looked up the states, it is actually a 97.9% survival rate, with many who survive suffering disabilities that will trouble them for the rest of their lives. At that rate we are talking about seven million dead Americans if everyone listens to the anti-vaxxers.
Smallpox in Boston killed 0.0005% of the population of Boston during the epidemic that led to the Court decision. So COVID is over forty times as deadly. Kal v’chomer.
“we can agree that this requirement should also apply to immigrants before they are let into our country”
My wife is a family physician who treats a lot of immigrants. She has never had an immigrant family even question a vaccine much less refuse one. Many have received vaccines in their home countries that Americans don’t get such as the tuberculosis vaccine. Only Americans and Israelis seem to be so stupid as to question one of the two greatest public health successes of modern times. (The other is clean water.)
simply googled “smallpox boston”. showes there was a population of 11,000 6,000 contracted the disease, 850 died. thats a 7.7% death rate.
@yserbius123
Well what about my health ? I don’t want to take the vaccine. Do u even know what the vaccine contains ? Because most of the people i asked don’t even care what’s inside , as longs s the Government says we should take it they’ll take it . To me tho a mandatory vaccine for a virus that’s way overblown and has a very high survival rate seems unnecessary . You wanna take it ? Feel free leave me out of it .
Ummm how about if you have a problem with covid you stay home . Ever thought of it that way . People don’t have to watch there business get destroyed and not have school and not be able to go about there daily lives , meanwhile big corporations can stay open , cause Walmart is safer then your local grocery right ?
I mean do any of the regulations make sense to you ?
Curfews , social distancing , masks , two masks , plexiglass ( my personal favorite 😆) .
I mean Kary Mullis himself said that PCR tests are very unreliable . All the day is the amount of positive cases there not telling you how many of them are just carriers and not actually sick , they’re not telling how many recovered , they’re just here to scare you and it’s working . Most people Ik that got Covid recovered quickly, I knew one person that passed away from covid and although he had other conditions it’s still very sad and shouldn’t have happened , but life has to go on !Rightwriter
One hundred percent. It’s so funny the Same people that have a issue with population are here to save humanity now . And people will still trust them .@theprophet I’m almost inclined to say that you’re trolling at this point. On two separate threads you posted some of the most gaavadik, selfish, self-centered rants while ignoring everyone else’s concerns. You should not go around unvaccinated because you are a walking health bomb. This is not about your health, it’s about how much you care about others.
Many people don’t have the option to stay at home, and many people cannot be vaccinated (cancer patients, people with anti-immune disorders, etc.) Refusing to get vaccinated while still going around in public is putting all those people in danger.
As for the alleged dangers vaccines cause, do you know every detail about how your car works before you get into it?
Rightwriter
problem is the people are unaware of what is actually going on they don’t realize which people are involved.
Otherwise people wouldn’t be running to get it .
These elite philanthropist are really good at hiding there crimes , people don’t realize that Some are above the law .@rightwriter & @Theprophet I don’t understand. The vaccines were produced by Pfizer and Moderna, no? What does Microsoft have to do with it?
And right now if we stay the course, we are going to lose about three hundred thousand Americans a year forever to COVID, and hospitalize millions more. Will a vaccine kill more people than that?
@ubiquitin @charliehall !!
Please, please can you give a respected professionals response, purely from the medical/science angle, to this specific claim please?!And right now if we stay the course, we are going to lose about three hundred thousand Americans a year forever to COVID, and hospitalize millions more
@rightwriter I tried researching the topic, but I can’t seem to find anything legitimate. What has Gates and Fauci done in connection with the two current vaccines and the thousands of others that have been in development? And I still don’t understand what would be so bad. We need a vaccine. Millions of people in the US alone were severely ill or hospitalized from COVID-19. Without a vaccine, this will keep happening year after year. What possible dangers are there in an FDA approved vaccine that can be worse than what’s already happened and what’s bound to happen again? Personally, I am unopposed to capitalism. If some greedy people are making money or gaining power over something we need, then let them gain as long as we gain too.
But what about myhealth?
Oish oish @Yserbius123! This is the Klal Yisroel I know and love? Me, me me
Millions of people in the US alone were severely ill or hospitalized from COVID-19.
I’m pretty sure this is false.
@yserbius123
All the really big corporations all work together to further whatever they want , that’s the way it’s been for a long time . Did u know that some of these companies have immunity , so they can’t get sued even if the vaccine isn’t safe . I really don’t understand why your so convinced the FDA can’t be bought off , that’s people are super wealthy and powerful , nothing stands in there way .
Also I don’t get why your so convinced millions will die , I’ve been out and around for nine months now and still haven’t gotten it and don’t know anyone that died from it . They keep on pushing the numbers just to scare you and it’s honestly working great .
And your probably using Google so you’ll never find anything beyond what they want you to see .Theprophet – i know i am really going out on a limb here but i will at least admit to doing so.
If it is true that you do not know anyone who has died of covid than you are either not part of the frum community, or you live very far from other jews.
I doubt there is a yid out there who has not experienced loss on a communal level, let alone a friend who suffered a direct loss.
@Theprophet Out of every ten people I know that had COVID-19, at least one was extremely ill. Many haven’t fully recovered even months later. And if they were over 50, they were almost certainly hospitalized. I personally know of at least three people who were niftar from it. I’m guessing you live in New Zealand or some other place where COVID-19 isn’t so prevalent. But if you don’t trust the media or the government, please trust me at least. COVID-19 is extremely contagious and can be extremely dangerous.
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