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Sam: Did you look up the Rashba? Was it helpful?
Sam, was it helpful?
Hello: It didn’t help me understand your point, unless the Beis Yosef learns it differently (I haven’t had a chance to look there yet). I’m not sure why it’s based on Ma’amid. If we assume Ma’amid is Assur because the Issur is Nikeres, the Rashba says specifically that this is Assur in a case even where it’s not Nikeres. I get the feeling here that the Rashba is adding a new category here of something that was added intentionally (but not Bittul Lechatchila), which is Assur on its own right.
Sam: the Beis Yosef merely quotes the Rashba without adding anything of his own. The Rashba equates an intentionally added ingredient with Cheese, which is a Ma’amid. It doesn’t seem from his words to be an original category of “not Batel”.
I imagine his logic is that he defines the rationale of a Ma’amid slightly different than you did. I think he interprets the definition of Ma’amid as something that has been designated as significant to the final product. In cheese, for example, the coagulating effect of the rennet makes it significant. In the Rashba’s case, the intent by itself lends Chashivus to the ingredient. Also, presumably if it is an important component, it lends some influence to the final product.
Does it say sour cream in the ingredients?
Does the issur of making either meaty or dairy bread apply in a food service establishment that’s either all meat or all dairy?
It should – lo plug. If it’s all used the day it’s baked, it’s okay, though.
That depends on how you define the shidduch crisis.
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