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  • #610985
    pixelate
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    Are there people nowadays who know real majic? or is Keeshoof a thing of the past.

    #982511
    strawberry
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    You mean magic???

    #982512
    pixelate
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    strawberry- shoots! i knew didn’t look right with a jay

    #982514
    simcha613
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    Who knows? I wouldn’t be surprised if deep in India or Africa or China there are people who know real kishuf.

    #982515

    But still…where did the lighter fluid come from?

    Magic nowadays is just slight of hand. It takes a lot of practice, but it’s nothing “special” aside from that.

    #982516
    SanityIsOverrated
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    I think real magic was lost when we lost our Nevuah or by Ruach Hakodesh. With the removal of one good, there was also the removal of a bad equivalent. I remember seeing this somewhere, but I have no idea the source.

    Basically, the world works on a balance scale. Since we lost a good connection, the bad equivalent was removed. Magic today is more sleight of hand, and neurological twists. Of course, it is possible modern magic has it’s roots from ancient kishuf.

    #982517
    HaLeiVi
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    I’ve heard of and read about spells that affect in a general sense. I also read about an instance of the type of Kishuf called, Achizas Einayim. I haven’t seen or heard of anything similar to the hard and sudden stuff we find in Tanach and Chazal.

    #982518

    there is a passuk that when you add the word up or down in lashon hakodesh, is assur to say. It makes whatever you aare reffering to go up or down. Someone i know did it in yeshiva. they made a table move.

    Also, if you dont talk on Shavous night, you get ruach hakodesh for the year. – not really magic but still cool!

    #982519
    pixelate
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    seminary help- they made a table move.

    Also, if you dont talk on Shavous night, you get ruach hakodesh for the year. – not really magic but still cool!

    Don’t beleive any of that.

    #982520
    keepitcoming
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    i dont think anyone did..

    question- if you could do magic or have a superpower what would u want to be able to do?

    #982521
    Bookworm120
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    @pixelate – A wise expert of Alchemie once told me that nowadays, majick is only practiced by faeries, who are magi.

    #982522
    Sam2
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    The Rambam held that real Kishuf never existed.

    The Gra said what Sanity claimed.

    #982523
    pixelate
    Member

    Bookworm- huh?

    #982524
    Bookworm120
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    Just magic speak culled from various fantasy books which I’ve read. 🙂 I’ve read a bit too much Septimus Heap, and I took a peek at the kiddie adaptions of Dragonlance.

    #982525
    SanityIsOverrated
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    Sam2- really?

    That’s really funny considering I’m supposedly descended from him. Wow. Thanks for helping me source that though:)

    #982526

    the ruach hakodesh on shavous night is definately true. AI know someone who did it.

    Don’t know about the table though

    #982527
    Redleg
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    Sturgeon’s Law: “Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.”

    Halevai, achizas einayim is another way of saying “slight of hand” or “misdirection.”. It was assur because the simple folk of the time could be convinced that it was real magic. Some poskim hold that is still assur today even though almost everyone knows it’s a trick.

    #982528
    the-art-of-moi
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    MODS_

    thanks:)

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