Lubavitch

While I do not know if Lubavitch has any shluchim on Native American reservations yet, I know of more than one shaliach who has helped victims of gambling addiction who frequent the casinos on these reservations.

My great uncle converted a whole inca tribe in south america …

😀 Zuberman! 😀

there’s a street in tzfas called in hebrew harebbe milubavitch shlita and underneath in english king moshiach shlita. i think its the funniest thing ive ever seen.

Cuz neither was his name king, nor is the moshiach a king.

Mod-42: Sez you. Imagine if somebody said something analogous to Kilobear’s comment about the drug problem in Lakewood. Would it still “have turned out ok so far”?

What about what Rav Shach zt”l said?

Actually, at Lubavitch you almost never need to make reservations for Shabbos, and even on Pesach you won’t get thrown out if you just come on in.

As for the street sign, those are the lunatic fringe. I have a feeling, knowing those characters as I do, that the sign is unofficial but that no one dares take it down. The city council has a Chabad presence, as Chabad took over a lot of former slum property and turned the former no-go zone called “Shikun Canaan” into a mokom Torah. The street was probably named that when the Rebbe was with us (or just named Harabbi meLubavitch even afterward as we have streets called Haadmour me (insert) for Rebbes who have left us). The loonies probably made and installed their own sign; I’d have to see a picture to know for sure.

These yellow flag goons are like the Petzuei haNachal of Breslov or the NK – a bunch of ex-cons and druggies with a ShaBaK agent or 2 thrown in to egg them on (the ShaBaK shtinker in Tzfas is Meir Baranes, who ran over and shortened the life of the very mainstream Chabad chief rabbi of Tzfas Rav Bistritzky AH and served only a few months in a mental institution. When released, he organized a pulsa denura in the Tzfas beis hachaim, which is a mokom koidesh, for Pope John Paul II who was mechasidei umois haoilam. He is clearly a protected species, and you don’t want to risk being the next one he runs over.)

Moshiach is a king, an earthly avatar of Hashem’s reign.

How did Derech go from wondering about becoming frum to wondering if Lubavitch is no longer frum, in 5 minutes?

Reb Ber: Why bring up the lunatics? Let’s talk about the relatively sane messianists first.

Because you can’t deal with crazies. The leadership of Chabad is in a court battle to get control of 770 and clean it up, but the issues are so convoluted that they’ll never win. People like me don’t set foot in 770 anymore. I left NY altogether, but when I lived there, I must have gone to 770 twice in 2 years (for simchas) after my first bad experience there.

Look at the pics of the Chabad Simchas Beis haShoeiva in CH this year. No flags. Last time I went, which was about 6 years ago, the meshuggeners took out their flags and were ignored. The die-hards are crazy and no one risks their lives being beaten up for the sake of getting a looney to put a flag away.

The strategy by and large is to let local yellow flag guys burn out, which they do eventually. A kid who waved a flag at 16 goes out on shlichus at 18 and knows no one wants to see his flag, so he stops believing in it once he gets used to not waving it.

EY and Israelis abroad (the source of most of the problem outside EY) are a different story. The medine has created such a social, political and moral mess that lunatics of all sorts rule the roost as people look to them to escape the mess that the zionists and worse yet, the post-zionists, have made of EY.

Yellow flag, NaNach, NK, phony mekubalim, neo-Carlebach, very strange mystical movements among the settlers, even Elior Chen and burqas – and many non-Jewish ‘spiritual movements’ – all a radical response to the malaise of secular EY. Wrong answer to a very real problem.

Reb Ber: My point was that airing Chabad’s dirty laundry (which you did in a pretty tactful way, and I know to be accurate) is OK with 42. I was asking if similar treatment of lakewood would also be.

Did anyone wonder why Popa did not join this controversial topic? He seems to join every other one

lets talk about the drug problem in modern orthodox teenage circles. no im not being crazy. its not lakewood, its NOT MO, its not chassidish-its teenagers. many are using. addiction doesnt discriminate according to hashkafa.

Don’t know how you can bash an entire community like that.

Only cuz your not a lubob and were not born into a lubob family doesn’t give you the slightest right to mock them.

Just go on and live your life!

Wikipedia has a great summary of all the shitos on Lubavitch, ayein sham. You are sure to find one by a gadol you like.

The purpose of this thread is like any other here in the CR- allow people to spew their thoughts and feel like they accomplished something, thereby creating sticky content, causing people to click on ad links, thereby generating income for the website owner. The more controversial, the stickier the content. And thus the sausage is made. Sorry for breaking the 4th wall again.

Wow, 600 kilo, the tziyonim are responsible for meshichist extremists now? What else? New Coke? The Roswell coverup? Global Warming?

I am both close to, and very far, from Chabad. In times past, there was near universal lomdus among them, and now the average yankel goes through the Dvar Hamalchus ( a chabad sort of chok leyisrael with heavy Ramban content) weekly, and so is not an am hooretz. In public speaking though, there is nearly nothing other than the Rebbe’s Torah. That is a tragedy.

twisted-tragedy that theres not more, or that it exists at all?

wow jothar i like you

did you ever read “identifying chabad”? I wonder if I wrote it. Hard to remember the things I do sometimes.

yay drunk people means theyre good. warped.

Swipe from http://www.identifyingchabad.org

A Note On Hatred.

We have long noted how Lubavitchers often respond to even the mildest and most balanced criticism with the charge of sinas chinum. This is true no matter how objective or even friendly is the tone of any letter or book on the subject. This is also true regardless of the lack of any evidence of actual bad feeling. It has unfortunately become utterly predictable that the principle reactions to any suggestion that there might be some problems in Chabad ideology or practice consist of deeply emotional (and often incoherent) accusations of personal hatred and venom.

This is a real shame because it makes it virtually impossible for anyone to engage in intelligent and productive dialogue on the issues that really matter.

When a mainstream leader can come out and say “The Rebbe runs the world!” (As opposed to Hashem) and nobody within the movement has an issue with it, it shows a deep problem. This is the point Derech was trying to goad someone into making, So I’ll do him the favor and make it.

Yes. In EY, disaffected young people turn to very extreme forms of “tshuva” more as a rebellion against the emptiness of the mess the tzioinim made than out of real belief. Some have been through drugs, Eastern cults etc and this is just another try to find a place in the world.

They develop the belief later, but usually it starts with a desire to escape. And what they are escaping is the sickness of secular “Israeli” society.