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Does someone in the Coffee Room (preferably a Lubavitcher Chossid) know whether Lubavitchers perform a Mitzvah Tantz at a Chasunah?
No we dint do mitzvah Tantz because its not modest.
Lipa Shmeltzer sang Aishes Chayil at my son’s wedding as a mitzva tantz which is available on youtube when googling lipa macarena.
Are you asking about currently or regarding prewar Lubavitch?
with the rebbe?
I was told by a Lubavitcher Chossid that they do not have a MItzva Tantz.
It was not the minhag of Lubavitcher Chassidim to do. See below
No “Mitzvah Dance”To an individual who asked the Rebbe why the Chabad custom is not to have a “Mitzvah Tantz,” the Rebbe responded:
1) Although we must understand the reason for this [i.e., for not engaging in this dance,] it does not change the fact [that we don’t do so].
2) … He who observes what has actually transpired in our days and during many, many weddings [as a result of “Mitzvah Dances”] understands the reason [it is not done in Chabad circles].
(Binyan Adei Ad, p. 44)
From the above posters we see that Lipa is not Lubavich.
Reb Eliezer, what is a “macarena” dance?
Look at the above reference to see.
I looked into this at one point, and from what I understand Chabad has never had the Mitzvah Tantz and this is not a recent thing of the recent generation.
Lubavitcher, so satmar, belz, ger, spinka, sqver, and everyone else are immodest?
Maybe try “we don’t hold it’s tznius” instead of dismissing half of klal yisroel as immodest. Might be a good idea to take a look at the state of tznius in crown heights before accusing others of immodesty.
Actually, don’t take a look, it would be assur.
@AviraDeArah
Maybe take a look at the tens of thousands of baalei teshuvah who ARE tznius who werent before, brought back to Yiddishkeit by WHOM???
Lubavitch. Focus on the positive, don’t be such a pessimist.Plus, It’s actually less in crown heights than other places. In boro park, if somebody dresses below what’s accepted, then they chase them out, and they do way worse things. On crown heights, they don’t use such methods, rather they hold dear the last connections to yiddishkeit they have left and try using that to slowly but surely get them back on the derech. It is actaully much more useffull and it works. But it doesn’t take a day. Or a week. It could take a while.
And don’t make lubavitcher’s answer for the other chassidisim, they should answer why they do things that aren’t so modest.
The rabbonim usually use a long gartel far from touching the kalla, so what is the question about tznius?
The Rebbes father Danced mitzvah tantz from afar with his wife.
The tznius issue (to me) seems to be the two (or more) extended families sitting in close proximity for long hours without any mechitza. I don’t know why this is necessary; can’t it be done with men on one side of the mechitza, women on the other side, and the kallah coming up close to the mechitza when people are called up to dance before her? Re not having the minhag, why is that something that needs a reason? If I don’t have the minhag, then it’s not my minhag, I don’t have to farenfer why I don’t do it!
And Keitzad Merakdim, when they bring the Kallah into the men’s section (and in the not so Frum circles dozens of other women slip into the men’s section with the Kallah) is more Tzniusdik??
TS, I wasn’t saying you should answer for other chasidim. I’m saying that it’s typical myopia where whatever chabad says is the only way things are – if chabad holds something isn’t tznius, then it’s not tznius, regardless of how many other groups of legitimate jews do it (or is no one else legitimate?….)
It would be like me telling a sefardi that I don’t warm up food on hotplates on shabbos because it’s chilul shabbos, while he does and is a mechalel shabbos. No – the way I tell him is that Ashkenazim hold that we’re not allowed to heat up food this way, because we hold that it’s nesinah lechatchila, but we respect other minhagim which permit it.
To be clear, satmar has higher standards of tznius in dress than chabad by a wide margin. They also separate genders far more fastidiously, and keep shmiras aynayim better because they don’t go out to the outside world.
In my own experiences, there are certain trends that go on in crown heights which are acceptable, and not treated with revulsion as they would be elsewhere. The details of this aren’t tznius to post online, but hamyavin yovin.
The amount of violations would be less if there were clear community guidelines as there are in boro park and Williamsburg (moreso in the latter). Every community has problems, but at some point, if not checked, they will spread, and in an effort to be mekarev people with little yiras shomayim, you will cause a community wide abandonment of tznius and other mitzvos.
The chayos (Arabs) and the satan don’t care as much if one sect of yiddishkeit is more modest than the other, what they really love is that there’s fights about it
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Though I have never witnessed the Keitzad Merakdim practice that you describe, I accept that it happens if you say so. But I am sure no one elevates it to the status of a holy minhag, and demands to know why others don’t do it.It is not because of tznius per se, it is because of chupas nidah. In lubavitch the chason and kallah don’t touch at all in public throughout the wedding, even after the chuppah, this is also because of chupas nidah.
This does not imply anything wrong with those who do, but are we not allowed to have our own minhagim and chumras?
My rebbi, the Matersdorfer Rav ztz’l at my wedding, which would have been 50 years on lag baomer, did not allow the kallah to come to the men rather I was going back and forth between the men and women. There were two tables. The main table by the women and the smaller table by the men.
Yes, bringing the kalla to the men’s section is more seniut. What is the idea behind this mitzva dance?
At Keitzad Merakdim it does say to dance with her or even in front of her but to say not to her but in front of her.
Leiby Wasser: You never saw a contingent of women come from the women’s section into the men’s section with the Kallah for Keitzad Merakdim?
And have you, ever, heard anyone insist everyone must have a Mitzvah Tantz, even if it was never their Minhag?
UJM, if he is a Lubavicher he may indeed never have seen it. It’s unheard of in Lubavitch.
Millhouse: But is it unheard of for a Lubavitcher to attend a non-Lubavitch chasuna? (i.e. I’m not referring specifically to Lubavitch.)
By the way, in Lubavitch the Kallah doesn’t go to the men’s section for Keitzad Merakdim?
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