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Window shopping should be not be done alone.
laskern: You don’t think any of them ever goes out or has gone out in public for a not valid or good reason or just (as you put it) “for the fun of it”?
Whereas guys might do the same with no justifiable reason, they don’t have a specific halacha or aveira against going out.
Joseph, Aren’t the women the special gender that protect the men from attraction by covering their hair, dressing ztuniesdig and minimize their time being outside rather than have the men avoid looking at them?
Joseph: not exercising is now seen as a greater killer than having high blood pressure, diabetes or smoking. So literally no reason to get out and walk is truly a great reason for most of us. And I haven’t gotten to the mental health part.
The only caveat I would say there is, is to not Davka “shpatzir” where men congregate, such as in front of a Shul during Mincha/Mariv.
“Whereas guys might do the same with no justifiable reason, they don’t have a specific halacha or aveira against going out.”
Joseph,
So now you’re paskening that a properly dressed female who goes out of the house “with no justifiable reason” has committed an aveira? What is the source of this whopper of a fake halacha, aside from your sick disdain for girls and women?
laskern: Yes they are.
Mammele: Was exercising and mental health concerns non-issues from the time of Sarah Imainu through Chazal and the Mechaber of S”A that all cited this restriction, and they only became relevant for the first time in history in recent years? Your caveat is much more exclusive than the Halacha records.
Well, as we have seen “Joseph”, the greatest posek ever, whiling away his time in the Coffeeroom, while all Rishonim and Achronim whom he quotes constantly would asser his bitul Torah. ( He somehow doesn’t accept poskim of our time, he only accepts “sources” till the Shilchun Arach, every gadol after that is not relevant.) But he’s frum on womens’ cheshbon… Women can’t go on a שפאטציר …
Even I, the defender against calling him a troll, have to admit he’s a troll because I don’t believe he really holds of his far-out opinions, he just likes riling people up.
I fail to see how any of the above has anything to do with Lubavitch hats…
5ish, it doesn’t. And that’s my point. Many posts become derailed to the topic of women can’t do this and women can’t do that and women are subersvient to their husbands, etc. It is very annoying, not to mention hypocritical. And I can’t take hypocrasy and the need to be farfrum on yenems cheshbon.
wouldnt it be ironic if “joseph” was female
So then I don’t see why anyone should allow themselves to be entangled in an off topic conversation. If you want to discuss whether your wife is allowed to leave the house or not then make a separate topic for that.
“wouldnt it be ironic if “joseph” was female”
apushatayid,
Wouldn’t it be ironic if Joseph was lying about having 3 wives and 27 children, if in truth he’s never actually been married. That would explain his obvious cluelessness regarding females but not his disdain or hostility.
Joseph: although whether your questions really need answers are debatable, I foolishly will.
And if it makes you happy I’ll concede that if all a woman does is be on on the street day after day, she should probably re-examine her priorities (unless she’s homeless or it’s a danger for her to be at home ch”v. In which case she needs help.)
In the time of Chazal not much was known about mental health, and the current “yeridos haDoros” means people were emotionally stronger. Women for the most part worked hard physically at home, so despite being unaware about it, additional exercise likely wasn’t needed. Many homes has roofs and yards (where women spent time doing laundry, needlework etc.) and benefited from sunshine and fresh air without being “on the street”.
My caveat, which you foolishly claim is more exclusive than Halacha records, is based on something that was drilled into us as schoolgirls, and I guess you didn’t get that messsage in Yeshiva… It’s simple ״צניעות איז א געפיל״. So in all your literal research you forgot about the 5th Chelek of sh”a, otherwise known as common sense. It’s time you find a mentor to help you out on that front. Or find a different topic to troll about…
5ish, yes, it’s a good idea to open a thread discussing if women can walk in the street. Especially if they may שפאטציר in the street.
And we should also discuss the issue of men leaving their houses because it’s impossible for men in chutz l’areretz not to see something Chazal asured…so maybe we should have a thread about that. Maybe we should discuss if they really have a need to go out, they should they wear blinders or perhaps carry a stick…we need to discuss these vital issues.
Perhaps if everyone just ignored “joseph” and whatever gilgul he comes back as……
“I fail to see how any of the above has anything to do with Lubavitch hats…”
May a married woman cover her hair with a lubavitch hat, in the street, if she is not lubavitch.
apush: I knew my conspiracy theory was missing something: Joseph is a FEMALE Lubavitcher!
Joseph,
“Was exercising and mental health concerns non-issues from the time of Sarah Imainu through Chazal and the Mechaber of S”A that all cited this restriction, and they only became relevant for the first time in history in recent years?”
Stop for a minute and think. Today we have cars that allow us to travel for miles while sitting down. We have washing machines, so we don’t have to schlep clothing down to the creek and use a washboard. We have electric stoves and running water, so no more bringing firewood into the house and trips to and from the well with heavy pails. The need for exercise has always existed, but in our generation the opportunities to get it via our daily routine have all but disappeared.
@neville he certainly isn’t says the female lubavitcher!
“schlep clothing down to the creek”
Were these creeks indoors, or was it the men who did the laundry?
apushatayid. keep up your sense of humor lol
“Stop for a minute and think.”
Avram,
A misogynist doesn’t think or care about the physical and emotional needs of mere females. Your sound arguments won’t sway his warped worldview that mandates women must remain confined to the harim.
I can’t believe how far you guys have taken this. This has to be Joseph’s greatest CR success story (at least since he’s become a 1-account man). He’s managed to get like 60% of this thread to be about women going outside when it was supposed to be about Chabad hats lol.
Neville ChaimBerlin,
“He’s managed to get like 60% of this thread to be about women going outside when it was supposed to be about Chabad hats lol”
Meh, smooshed hats are boring. Given your 60% figure, had this thread stayed on topic it would’ve been less than half as long.
That’s what Joseph said too. Threads have to die eventually though. It should be when their original discussion has been exhausted.
While we’re using this thread for completely off topic subjects, I just had the realization that MD means Maryland. For years I’ve thought it meant you were studying to become a doctor. If you were going to med school in Maryland, that would be a delicious pun.
“This has to be Joseph’s greatest CR success story (at least since he’s become a 1-account man). ”
Yes, he and slonimer both 😆Im all fairness tho, i appreciate Joseph’s forray into singlehood. Even though i dont like much of his views, i appreciate the absence of decietfulness that sockpuppeting offers
This is like bizarro land. I usually defend Joseph against trolling accusations. I finally join the bandwagon on this thread and now all his old enemies are praising him.
You guys know that Joseph is a troll, right? Looks like everyone here swallowed the bait and got the hook, line, and sinker.
I still believe that Joseph truly holds by his opinions reflected here, and therefore I hesitate to call him a troll. The derailing of this thread, however, was clearly intentional and calculated.
For the record, I never directly responded to the derailed discussion. Us CR elders have seen the exact argument, with the exact same Rambams so many times now that we know better. The Chabadnik posters are a little newer so they’re having to learn the hard way.
neville
whats wrong with chazara on a rambam?joseph. WHERE ARE YOU? WE WANT YOU BACK
The old AOL and Yahoo message boards had a “block” feature. If you wished to ignore certain user(s) you simply “blocked” them and you would not see anything posted by them.
Its a shame YWN doesnt implement such a feature.
I don’t see how that feature could work on YWN (or anywhere for that matter). We would just end up with threads being duel discussions with people only seeing the people they haven’t blocked.
It worked wonders then. It will work wonders now.
are we done with ‘lubavitch hats’?
ok, lets go on to the velvet round hats. i have seen many have the bow of the ribbon on the right side of the hat. i think its more common to have it on the left side. anyone know the significance of having it on the right or the left?The Minhag Vizhnitz is to have the ribbon on the right side.
I’ve heard its because of chukas ha’akum that they’re avoiding the normal placement of the ribbon. I wouldn’t be surprised if it also might have to do with the significance chassidim tend to place on the right-side like with buttoning and what not.
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