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Ugh sorry! I am reading posts from 2014 that say SMS goes into your phone.
Wait there is such a thing as text to voice. I had a friend in school who had all his texts converted to voice because he is losing his sight.
I wonder if there is a way to get any texts go straight to voicemail on your phone?
Maybe there is an *assistive technology* for a regular cell phone (*the word the office for students with different abilities for such types of tech that helped people be more independent) that was created for individuals who needed it before smartphones were invented?
Is it inevitable? Is the battle lost? Will I too have to get a smartphone just to be able to do the basics?
There’s middle ground. Here in the US, they sell “shechted” phones with apps such as browsers and video players removed. I don’t know how easy it is to get these in EY, but in theory, you should be able to get a smartphone which does nothing besides the minimum you need – your company’s security app, and perhaps SMS.
You can even get it as a second device, and only use it when you need it for those, and continue to use your basic phone for talk.
There are a lot of people who do that here in the US.
Twilio!!! Will this work? Or is this for the IT dept?
I just Googled “how to receive sms online” and got a list of results.
DY: True but it sounds like right now WTP doesn’t want that so and there must be a way for her to get what she needs without getting another phone. Maybe we can help her do it. At least help her know all of her options and explore what works best for her.
Anyone know of a personal SMS via Email account provider?
Right now all I found was ones for businesses. But so far it looks like there is a way for people to receive SMSs straight to email.
There’s a free service called TextNow.
It seems like it’s similar to Google Voice but it might work better in your situation.
I’m not totally sure how it works so you would have to go check it out for yourself.
LB, Meno, et al, you seem to focusing on the SMS issue, which undoubtedly is solvable without a smartphone, but she said her company log in security requires an app, and unless there’s a desktop version of that app (unlikely), or they find a unique solution for her, she’s going to need a smartphone. I’m just saying that it doesn’t have to be a smartphone which does anything more than that one app.
Maybe, though, an Android emulator would do the trick.
There is no way around it, this passcode is for security purposes. They want to make sure only the person who has access can get it.
I suppose some advanced hackers could figure out something, but that is not the point. Most hackers cannot
Generalizations are wrong, and this one in particular is offensive.
DY
“when there’s a very real issue here, that some of today’s technology posts a real threat to people’s ruchniyus”that isnt what the OP is discussing. See here:
“Again, I am not worried about content- that is B”H not my taayva. It would not be for the kids to use, and anyway, a filter is easy enough to install. I am fine with using technoogy in a kosher manner, but I am worried about technology taking over. I will use it for work. And then take it with me when I travel so I can have waze, and then use it to take and send pictures, etc etc.”
S/he seems not to like technology becaue it is new. Perhaps this is has spread from the real concern you raise to being opposed to Waze and taking pictures, but this leads to rightfully pointing out that it is hard to understand why Waze should be avoided but not say the coffee room.
Again you raise real concerns, and I get the slippery slope argument. But this is not the argument the OP is making. S/he seems confident that taayva isnt a struggle, will have a filter, etc and while these may not be foolproof and some kids can get around filters etc etc this is not the concern being raised.
The concern seems to be technology in of itself.No, it sounds like she’s afraid she will waste too much time and mental energy on it, which as far as I’m concerned is a ruchniyus issue.
If a smartphone per se is the issue (because, for example, it has so much integrated into something so portable), but a laptop is not, then perhaps a Chromebook could be a solution. Chromebooks are increasingly getting access to Android apps, so you could run a “smartphone” app on a laptop device. Also, if there is a Windows phone version of the app, and it is written for the “Universal Windows Platform” (UWP), then it can likely be run on a Windows 10 laptop or desktop as well.
“No, it sounds like she’s afraid she will waste too much time and mental energy on it, which as far as I’m concerned is a ruchniyus issue.”
One possible solution is to take a vow, in the presence of witnesses, that you will use the smartphone only for strictly work-required activity.
Even if this specific battle is lost (which i dont think it is yet) theres much more to the war that youre still winning. Just the full picture facts, dont like the gloom and doom of the vibes man.
Oh and dont forget that ur not alone in this fight, a common feeling among the ones holding off while most people are giving in. chazak.
technology has become a euphamism for anything and everything that provides access to the world that is anti torah and yiras shamayim. that world may exist somewhere in cyberspace or down the block. sadly, it causes people to think that making sure people dont have smartphones, and doing everything possible to make sure they dont is the be all and end all to the problem. for $2.75 one can access the technology known as the nyc subway system, ride for 30 minutes and expose themselves to the very same shmutz.
“for $2.75 one can access the technology known as the nyc subway system, ride for 30 minutes and expose themselves to the very same shmutz.”
You can’t carry the NYC subway system in your pocket where you can access it 24 hours a day.
Over time, its possible that a younger generation of rabbonim may “move the goalposts” as to what is acceptable based on having a better understanding of how technology works rather than redefining Halacha.
Did no one think a response to that was in order?
WinnieThePooh: Go for it! Genius idea! And def worth finding out! People can do so much with their Xboxes and whatnots; surely your camera has some tricks up its sleeves. 🙂
Excellent job of thinking outside the box to find your solution!!!
B’Hatzlacha, and if not this then you’re on the way either way 🙂
bh
“You can’t carry the NYC subway system in your pocket where you can access it 24 hours a day.”
No need to shlep it around with you, it is right there waiting for you though. 24×7.“(why would i want to use this small screen when I have a comfortable laptop?),”
Let me play devils advocate (literally). This “small screen” is easier to use unobtrusively than a larger laptop and you know, “just this once” let me see what else this thing can do.
Let me play devils advocate (literally). This “small screen” is easier to use unobtrusively than a larger laptop and you know, “just this once” let me see what else this thing can do.
It’s also easier to use something which is already in your pocket than to take the subway to someplace you shouldn’t be going.
No need to shlep it around with you, it is right there waiting for you though. 24×7.
Need? What does need have to do with it?
“You can’t carry the NYC subway system in your pocket where you can access it 24 hours a day.”
This proves the point I was making. A wonderful sound bite, that ignores the real problem.
the real problem
“The” real problem? Is there only one real problem?
Actually I hate using the screen on my smartphone. I dont even like typing on it. I can type like 100 WPM on keyboard, but I type like 2 WPM on a phone
The subways bad but its not nearly as bad yet. Even the laws prove that.
Cancel your con ed account and ride a horse
Does Israel have laws to protect the right to observe your religion at work?
Does WTP’s employer have an obligation to provide a reasonable accommodation for her?
heres an idea. get a free phone for texting with a prepaid plan. get a really basic one. and youll have that for these situations, and wont use it fro anything else.
Great idea chabadgal 🙂
So from what I understand, WTP still needs a solution for getting the app for work
LB
Unlike the US, there is no written constitution in Israel. Israel’s government and laws are based on the British system which has an implied constitution.
And even in the US there are limits to how far religious freedom goes. If a certain job responsibility requires you to go against your religion, it still might be allowed. or example if you had a job where you had to taste pork, you cant claim religious freedom
If a certain job responsibility requires you to go against your religion, it still might be allowed. or example if you had a job where you had to taste pork, you cant claim religious freedom
A better example would be a chef in a high-class restaurant where you would be expected to cook meat/milk together.
The Wolf
zahavasdad: Thanks so much for your clarification!
Wow. I had no clue that Israel’s government and laws are modeled after the British system. That makes sense, given that it was under the British Mandate. On top of that, I’ve never heard of this implied British constitution.
Just Googled it and something about the EHRC in 2006 and Equality Act.
Wait what… What’s the difference between a written vs. implied constitution? So in Britain, companies are required to respect religious freedom and provide some reasonable accommodations (to a limit), but how that plays out when an employer is in violation of one’s religious freedom is different in the UK vs US because in the US the written law is something that one can interpret and argue in accordance to said violation — while in the UK, no written law means that employers are able to parse their obligations to their employees quite loosely?
Thank you
You can download on your computer Bluestacks which allows you to run on your computer Android apps. I think it also works with apps that need a phone number. you can probably use you kosher number.
Hi WTP, thanks for answering! Yes I meant for you, but the part about not having to work from home makes sense.
As for whether you “deserve” to request such a thing even though other frum Jews have one doesn’t make a difference because it’s about *your* religious beliefs and practice. At least in the US, you have a right to be makpid. While what someone else [another religious Jew] does may help your case, technically that would not make a difference.
Though maybe CTLAWYER would be a better voice here, since I don’t know how this could play out IRL.
Still think of a BT who comes into work and says he/she cannot work on weekends. I’ve said that to my boss but I don’t necessarily look the part of a Shomer Shabbos Jew. I have just as much of a right as another Jew. I’m sure they’ve had other Jews work for them on Shabbat. Yet that doesn’t mean that my case is any less credible.
Your reasons are founded in Torah so and it’s a religious value if yours to guard your neshama by guarding away from having to purchase and/or rely on a smartphone.
Now the whole working from home thing adds another dimension, so I can see how that comes into play now too. Hmmm I don’t what to say but thank you for the heads up and sending you blessings for it to be revealed good 💖
(I don’t think freedom of religion could be argued as relevant here.)
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