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I proudly admit that I do not have a smartphone. Do not have a facebook account. Have no idea how to twitter and when I see # I expect to see a number following it. Use a combination of physical maps and google map print-outs to get from point A to point B. Cannot use my card to withdraw money from the ATM since the password is sent by SMS, and my dumb phone does not do SMSing.
Basically, I don’t feel that I am missing out on anything and am happy that I have not fallen a victim to too much technology. Until today.
Anyway, at work, to access our network when off premises, we have to insert a passcode that is generated by this little token. Today I was informed that they are phasing out these tokens, and instead everyone will be able to get these passcodes via an application on their smartphones. Great. For the rest of the world who have smartphones. Seems I will not be able to work from home or anywhere else, unless I get a smartphone.
Is it inevitable? Is the battle lost? Will I too have to get a smartphone just to be able to do the basics?know what u mean. the battle, war actually, isnt over until we win. filters and whatnot are still somewhat of an option… i know what u mean. RESPECT!
Just wait till they convince you to get whatsapp.
From there on it’s a slippery slope…
Filters are also technology. If you fight technology with technology, the whole world will be technologofied.
rebyidd23 we’ve gotta fight fire with fire sometimes bruv
Maybe you should move to a third world country
Fire is different. Fire burns and then is over. Technology techs forever.
Israel is third world.
Maybe you can get a smart phone for work and leave it at that.
I know a lot of people who have a separate work phone. It doesn’t stop the issue of it being a compromise on something that you otherwise promised you would never do but the circumstances seem to be that it is the best thing because you need it to continue working and being there for your family. So maybe with emuna here, Hashem needs you to have a smartphone and this is the only way it was possible.
You are a fighting for Hashem. I don’t think you’re losing.
And just because you get a smartphone for work does not mean that you have disgraced yourself otherwise.
Yes you may become more familiar with it and realize that in itself it is not an evil object. The power comes from its door.
But that is just my opinion and I say that after having resisted a smartphone for nearly 5 years or so, assuming that I was getting around just fine, only to realize later how much it helped me become more independent and organized, and navigationally coordinated once I had one in my life.
B’Hatzlacha! You’re a warrior 🙂
WTP: I understand your feelings but sometimes you have no choice but to accept and use the technology. In the 1930’s and 1940’s not everyone had a telephone and eventually it became standard that every home had a telephone. Today it is smartphones. I use WhatsApp for one purpose…to set up my morning learning session.
@WinnieThePooh why do I feel that your lying?
Now on to the topic, technology is here to stay, avoiding it is pushing off the inevitable, if you really need a smartphone, ios (in case you don’t know, that is Apples operating system for their devices) has pretty strong parental controls that you can use, or a Blackberry not running android (obviously someone else, not a family member or close friend, should set it up for you).
I’m assuming your laptop/computer at home uses a whitelist for the internet. Instead of fighting technology try to learn how to use it in a kosher manner.
Btw which bank requires you to get an SMS of your pin for the ATM? The only one I know of is Wells Fargo, and that is to make a withdrawal WITHOUT your bank card.ah i hear what u saying about bout taken over by it. bh i dont have a smart phone now but even from reg txting i get that problem. actually about to give a report on the negative effects of socia media in lil bit. sry cant help u but i can tel u to daven, works wonders. again RESPECT!
The worst technological innovation is the coffee room. I can’t believe there are so called “frum yidden” willing to post in it. Have they no shame?
Based on things I’ve had to delete, no, if say they don’t.
There have been many movements since the industrial revolution in the past 200-250 years to push back against technology and its social, cultural and economic consequences. In other words, and to coin a phrase, ba’chol dor v’dor there are Luddites who have tried to put their finger in the dike to fend off sometimes intimidating changes in the way technology changes our day to day lives. In virtually all cases, these efforts have not succeeded. Perhaps the only exception are those religious groups, including some of our own, who have the discipline to refuse change and find ways to continue life as it was in the Alte Heim in our case. When the motivation is deeply held emunah (as in your case) rather than a vague political philosophy, there are always ways to manage. Over time, its possible that a younger generation of rabbonim may “move the goalposts” as to what is acceptable based on having a better understanding of how technology works rather than redefining Halacha. Much hatzlacha to you in wherever you come out in resolving your own individual conflicts.
You can’t battle against technology because you don’t have any weapons.
“You can’t battle against technology because you don’t have any weapons.”
RY: You have the torah, davening, siyata d’shmaya and yiras shomayim those are as powerful weapons as you can get…
The war is not over! The war will never be over!! As long as there are yidden that care about hashem and his torah the war will not be over!!!!!
There are plenty of people who use it to their own benefit. Just make sure to remember your current sentiment.
Being mature with an advanced device constantly in your reach takes practice, like any other Mida. When you see the way other people use that nauseates you, take note and make a mental note not to look like that.
Our parents didn’t have these things early on so we aren’t disciplined on its etiquette. We’ll have to make it up on our own, and well enough to be able to help the next generation.
Get used to ignoring notifications, or mute them. For emergencies people will call (an added on capability of smartphones).
But the good news is, that if you didn’t get it in order to have fun but rather out of an actual necessity, and if you actually care more about your biological life, you will most likely succeed in not having it take over your life. But make a note to stop and reevaluate your position in half a year.
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The only people I know that are winning the battle against technology are the Amish people.
Furthermore the Amish people are modest and humble people .
IMHO they are the best of the gentiles.Many of the Heimish are doing very good too.
They are losing.
Even at least part of the Amish community is using more technology now, marketing online with its Dutch store and partnering with banks for cash back deals.
Those are the off- the – derech Amish.
WTP – before you assume the battle is lost, maybe you should ask a sheilah about what to do? Do you have a Rav whom you can ask these kinds of questions to? If not, can you find one? (just don’t choose him only based on his location :))
All the awareness campaigns are worthwhile – I’m sure there are always people getting the message and doing Kosher phones. We can’t give up it has made too many chorbonus.
Sorry, but the Torah relies on technology. Without the technology of parchment and ink, where do you get your Sifrei Torah?
Maybe we should just go back into caves a make fires by rubbing two sticks with a flint in between. The problem isn’t the technology it is how some people use it. In some ways it improves things. Before cell phones (including “kosher phones”) became common people talked in shul. Now at least they go outside. Some even put theirs on silent ringtone. Of course, a shull board can block reception (legally) with devices like Faraday cages. Fighting technology vs. technology.
As for sms, if you want to keep it off and still use those services, there is another way. Set yourself up a Google number and give that to the bank.
It’s called Google Voice.
You sign up online, get a regular number that you can set to ring either on your phone or on the Google Voice website.
You can also get sms messages either on your phone (not applicable in your case), an/or on the website, and/or forwarded to your email.
It sounds like it would work in your situation as long as you have a computer with internet access (it might work for your ATM card too)
Unless you are willing to ride a horse and buggy, store food in a pit in the backyard, do your business in an outhouse and use candlight for light, technology is here to stay
Serious people are also here to stay.
Go to voice.google.com and choose a number. Then you can set this number to forward all calls to a phone of your choice. Separately, you can forward text messages sent to that number to any phone. Regardless of these settings, all voice mail and text messages are sent to your email. If you respond to that email the person sees that as a response by text.
A side note Amish DO use Cell Phones. they are just against the wires so they dont use land lines (Dont ask me why its that way I dont understand it either)
As long as we sacrifice children every year to our school system, we really can’t complain about technology, which saves lives.
How do they charge them?
Horse and buggy is also technology.
Technology is a big part of the difference between humans and animals.
Does Google Voice work in Eretz Yisroel?
WTP – I cannot tell you how your post spoke for me. I am with you 100%. I felt the same way when I had to get a smart phone and really agree with all your fears coming true. I can tell you what measures I took but it is still so very difficult.
RY,Avi – I don’t get why you are throwing around those comments? Her feelings are very personal and deep, if you don’t think they are founded, why make jokes about them? Posters throwing in comments about horse and buggy and parchment is just disrespectful to her question and feelings on this. Nobody doesn’t know what type of technology she is referring to and nobody thinks she is talking about ink and parchment.I went through this the other day. It was my sister’s yahrtzeit and I was in a lot of pain. I thought about all the times I would post when I had those thoughts, talking about the emunah involved in getting past the pain and struggle, and sharing any chizuk or need for chizuk. And I realized I wouldn’t even consider it these days. The way people respond at times to pain or struggle, to personal struggles with life is not always conducive to sharing these things. It’s not quite so ‘safe’ here anymore and seeing these responses to WTP’s OP just reconfirmed it and made me feel really sad.
+1 Syag.
Also, I frankly think it’s ridiculous that people nitpick the word “technology” when there’s a very real issue here, that some of today’s technology posts a real threat to people’s ruchniyus. I think playing what is essentially semantics belittles a very real concern.
Nobody here is saying that any of today’s devices are problematic because they’re new. They’re problematic because they can and do give the yetzer hora a tremendous opening to tempt people, and many people have succumbed.
If you want accurate responses, don’t use the wrong word. When you say technology, I hear technology.
If you want accurate responses, don’t use the wrong word. When you say technology, I hear technology.
Very poor excuse. You’re smarter than that.
It’s not an excuse. There is no need to excuse proper word usage. Anyone who uses the word “technology” when they mean smartphones is a rasha.
I think at some point you had to have an existing U.S. number in order to sign up, but I don’t think that’s the case anymore.
I found a few articles online which discuss using Google Voice to send and receive calls internationally.
First people here appropriate my neurology, now you insult it?
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