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  • #615464
    Jewish Thinker
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    If, chas vesholom, a post with loshon hara on it slips past the mods, can I still post on that thread and bump it, thus making other people read it? Is that considered violating Lifnei Ivar?

    #1144717
    Joseph
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    You’re not allowed to even read it.

    #1144718

    I have often refrained from bumping a thread for that reason.

    #1144719
    Joseph
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    Why not delete the problematic post instead?

    #1144720
    Jewish Thinker
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    Joseph, but let’s by mistake I stumbled on it, can I still bump the thread? Moderator, is it difficult, in general, to delete posts?

    #1144721

    It is not hard to delete a post. It is hard to delete several posts that change the integrity of the thread. If Halacha dictates, however, that that is right, than we should not be worrying about the level of difficulty. Did you have something specific in mind?

    #1144722
    Joseph
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    IMO, bumping is lifnei ivar because more people will see the l”h. The better option is to notify a mod so it could potentially be redacted.

    #1144723
    Little Froggie
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    -29, Thank you (I’m sure you meant all the bad ones about me)

    #1144724
    Jewish Thinker
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    Moderator- Can you increase the the awareness of loshon hara. I know you work very hard but can you please try a little bit harder to take out loshon hara.

    #1144725
    Jewish Thinker
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    I would also like each member of the Coffee Room to increase their awareness of posting loshon hara on the CR. There are some who are careful and some who are not so careful. Please let us all try, bli neder, to be more careful.

    #1144726
    Jewish Thinker
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    Joseph-Are you sure that bumping violates Lifnei Ivar?

    #1144727
    Joseph
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    lefi aniyus daati, yes.

    #1144728
    Jewish Thinker
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    Thank you, Joseph

    #1144729
    Jewish Thinker
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    How about if I post on a thread, thus making people who search on Google find it easily. They go on it and might see the other threads that by mistake have loshon hara on them. Is that Lifnie Ivar?

    #1144730
    👑RebYidd23
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    troll on.

    #1144731
    Little Froggie
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    Am I allowed to write that D<<Automatically Removed by Lashon Hara Sensor Censor>>

    #1144732
    Jewish Thinker
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    Also, if I troll and write something that could easily lead to people to say loshon hara that could be avak loshon hara, I think.

    #1144733
    👑RebYidd23
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    Trolling doesn’t cause loshon hara.

    #1144734
    Jewish Thinker
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    It depends what type of trolling.

    #1144735
    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    The trollness is not what causes the loshon hara.

    #1144736
    Jewish Thinker
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    What about on a thread where there is loshon hara but the victim of the negative talk was greatly defended? Is it still Lifnie Ivar to bump?

    #1144737
    Jewish Thinker
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    The trollness is not what causes the loshon hara.

    Come on, of course some trolling causes loshon hara.

    #1144738
    Jewish Thinker
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    It is not hard to delete a post.

    I think it says in the rules that it is harder to edit a post than completely delete it.

    #1144739
    Joseph
    Participant

    You sound like you desperately want to make a post on that loshon horadike thread. 😉

    #1144740
    Jewish Thinker
    Participant

    Joseph, What is your opinion on my other questions of lifnie ivar?

    #1144741
    Joseph
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    Your last one is a more difficult question. But is not the halacha that if you start overhearing l”h you’re obligated to leave or close your ears you that you should hear no further?

    #1144742
    👑RebYidd23
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    Some trolling causes loshon hara, but the post would cause the same lashon hara if it wasn’t a troll.

    #1144743

    Mods-I have seen many posts containing loshon hara. I do not think that people realize that speaking about a group in general or a public figure can be considered loshon hara. Also, even those times where for one reason or another, something is permitted to be said, it almost always leads to another person saying something similar in a different circumstance where it IS loshon hara. I think specifically about the chol hmoed Chillul Hashem article and th shabbos switch article in particular as examples of where articles and comments reflect readers’ own opinions about other people. Almost anytime someone discusses someone else, especially in a public forum, it will lead to loshon hara.

    #1144744
    Jewish Thinker
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    I was thining about this a little, and it may be possible that bumping a thread with loshon hara on it might fall under the Rambam’s heter of aplie telasa.

    #1144745
    Jewish Thinker
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    The Rambam’s heter of aplie telasa lets me repeat loshon hara if it was said in front of three people, and it is the first time, ie. if someone said loshon hara in front of 3 and then one of the 3 repeated it to 3, those 3 can’t repeat it. (There are loads of limitations to this rule, so don’t take this at face value).

    So when I bump a thread, I am just repeating over the original loshon hara, in a sense, it is in front of 3 and then I am just repeating it. Maybe there is something to rely upon.

    Anyone agree of disagree?

    #1144746
    Jewish Thinker
    Participant

    Bump

    #1144747
    Jewish Thinker
    Participant

    Tosafos’s heter of aplie telasa is different.

    #1144748
    Jewish Thinker
    Participant

    Bump

    #1144749
    Jewish Thinker
    Participant

    Just to clarify:

    I was interested in starting a discussion and discussing these halachos. Some may assume that I believe it is advisable to pasken from the CR which I believe is unwise.

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