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BasYisroel2: your welcome the coffee room is a really warm place!!! enjoy the coffee room’s a fun place!!! thanx for answering my question!!!!

Joseph,

You are an agitator. It’s a cute line you came up with: “you are mistaken”. Ive seen you use it before. don’t deny history. It doesnt serve anyone any good.

The facts are that it in no way maligned anyone by saying they didnt cover their hair bacuse at the time there was no chiyuv, the reason being as the Novordoker Rav wrote that hair is no longer a davar hamekusah. (hair covering is d’rabbanan)

If you write “you are mistaken” it will be to the aruch hashulchan, not me. Let me see you write that.

Aruch Hashulchan 72:7: “Now let us come and cry out regarding the immodesty of our generation, because of our many sins. For many years (some) Jewish women have been neglectful regarding this transgression, and they go with uncovered hair. All which they (the leaders, rabbis) have screamed about this has not helped or accomplished anything. Now the plague has spread, that married women go about with their hair just like unmarried women! Woe to us that such has occurred in our days.”

According to Torah law, married women must cover their hair whenever they are outside their home. A woman who fails to do so forfeits her kesubah and should technically be divorced by her husband (Kesuvos 72a; E.H. 115:1-4). Mishnah Berurah 75:14 and Beiur Halachah say it must even be covered inside the home.

Since the hair must be covered, when it is not covered it is considered an ervah, an uncovered area. No male may recite Kerias Shema, pray, recite a blessing, or learn Torah when the uncovered hair is visible to him (O.C. 75:2. This halachah applies to one’s own wife, sister, mother, etc. as well.). Accordingly, if such a person happens to be at the Shabbos table, Kiddush may not be recited.

The Mishna Brura states: even if it is the custom of this woman and her friends in that place to walk with uncovered hair publicly, in the way of immodest people, one may not recite prayers in view of her hair.

To asdfghjkl: from what you posted before about JMAs- there were JMA awards in Eretz Yisroel.I belive that MBD and Shwekey were some of the performers that have previously won.I dont know if they still have the JMA’s. I belive that you can veiw previous JMAs on cds that they sell in E”Y called Chasidishkiet(only certain ones) hosted by Menachem Toker.

BasYisroel2: thanx!!! i always thought the jewish singers should get award!!! please head to the new members thread & leave a comment there, so ya could get a proper welcome from the rest of the coffee room members!!!

joseph: thanx for the Halacha, i didn’t know that till now.$

here’s a joke…would we make a shidduch with anyone from the torah

Yitzchak Avinu : Well his grandfather made idols, and there was all that nastiness with Lot and his half brother is an arab.

Yakov Avinu: His great grandfather made idols, his brother went of the derech, his mother comes from a very treyfe family, and he wasn’t shomer negiah with rachel imenu before they were married and he spent a lot of time with his uncle who’s mamash a rasha.

Dovid HaMelech: Descendants from a geyoret, not our kind of people. Sure a few generations have gone but all things being equal shouldn’t we look for someone with a more jewish backround.

Shlomo HaMelech: See above.. And his mother’s marriage was very dubious, he is rich though but the yichus and family backround is very tricky.

shkoyach: seems like i got an admirer!!!

azi the better question is how much does it cost YOU to avoid learning and correcting your errors, simply to satisfy your preconceived notions and agendas?

ketchup on Shabbos

That’s a new one to me. What’s the deal with ketchup on Shabbos (or the lack thereof) being a relevant factor in people warped ideas of what makes a good shidduch?

The Wolf

squeak,

I have no agenda, i responded to a purposely agitating comment by Joe. I have seen his comments for a while and i beleve he goes around to disturb different forums.

More importantly I did not correct any errors. I have the truth and the facts on my side. If people want to change history for whatever reason, it’s not my problem. I will happily tell my children that Miriam spoke loshon hara about her brother, about Yehuda and Tamars relationship and that their great grandmothers, although they were zadekises, they did not cover their hair. Thats all.

However nobody wants to make them for the younger crowds

If a girl hasn’t had a date in six years, she is no longer in the “younger crowd.”

I’m not suggesting getting a bunch of 18 and 19 year-olds together in a room and letting them at each other. But when someone starts hitting the mid 20s, I think they’re probably mature enough to actually meet people on their own without having to wait for a shadchun to call. For this singles crowd, I think social events are very necessary.

The Wolf

wolf – really? that’s the coolest thing i’ve heard in a long while!

sqeak, ur on a roll today i mammish lol LAUGHED OUT LOUD by a bunch of ur posts today 🙂

I don’t need to think to figure out what you meant.

shkoyach: it was in a good way the admirer thing!!! thnx!!!

azi: squeak is right. you posited the aruch hashulchan permits the hair to be uncovered and you were shown the quote from the sefer that says the exact opposite. so the facts aren’t on your side and you should take squeak’s advice and correct your errors.

ames: I read that article in the Mishpacha magazine. I thought it was really on target with whats going on in the shidduch world today. Very well written and to the point. It’s a shame that the people that need to read it probably wont.

Hill of Beans

You already lost the debate. Never did I write that the Aruch Hashulchan paskend that a womwn doesn’t neeed to cover her hair. What I wrote was that he confirms that during his lifetime, women did not cover her hair. So I am correct, as he confirms the fact that they didn’t. squeek, joseph and now apparently you get to exited when you see an issue like hair coveing, so you don’t even bother to read the comment in its entirety.

JayMatt19,

You are correct in quoting me, but you haven’t seen the Aruch inside, so it’s only fair that you don’t understand what he was referring to (and ipso facto what I meant). He wrote that it is no longer a dover sheberva and therefore a man can make a brocha in front of uncovered hair. He didn’t write, nor did I claim that he wrote that women do not need to cover their hair.

Do you think I assumed that the Aruch Hashulchan was a reform rabbi, changing halacha with the times? He wrote what I said he wrote, thats a fact, if you don’t like it, go find where he’s buried and complain. I’m just his humble messenger.

Azi said:

>>JayMatt19,

You are correct in quoting me, but you haven’t seen the Aruch inside, so it’s only fair that you don’t understand what he was referring to (and ipso facto what I meant).<<

No, I have seen it inside. Do you often make accusations without basis of fact?

>> He wrote that it is no longer a dover sheberva and therefore a man can make a brocha in front of uncovered hair. He didn’t write, nor did I claim that he wrote that women do not need to cover their hair.<<

He did not write that it is “no longer” he was discussing a situation where one is in a location where such is the practice. He did not say that is is now an “across the board halacha”. It is actually quite a relative halacha.

Additionally, you did not initially make this distinction. You originally claimed “See the Aruch Hashulchan who paskens that hair in longer a dover sheberva, since woman don’t cover it anymore.” This very much implies that since it is not a davar sheb’erva, one need not cover it. You did not make the distinction that this was solely a halacha regarding brachos. It was only after Joseph made the distinction that you applied it as well. Did you not know the distinction? Did you want people to look it up? or did you purposely mislead people?

>>Do you think I assumed that the Aruch Hashulchan was a reform rabbi, changing halacha with the times?<<

Not at all.

>> He wrote what I said he wrote, thats a fact, if you don’t like it, go find where he’s buried and complain.<<

That is like saying Dovid Hamelech said: ??-??-????? ??? ??-?????? ?????

>> I’m just his humble messenger. <<

I’m not sure what disturbs me more the claim of being a messenger, or the claim of doing it humbly. Neither one seems fitting

>>I feel this shows that your claims have all been based on emotion. Your passion to defend your lifestyle, by claiming everyone throughout history has lived exactly as you do, has led you way of base. Again it was a point regarding history, I had a support.<<

Please show me where I have made this claim. I know the history and I know about the drives to get women to resume covering their hair in the USA. I too have pictures of frum family members showing all of their hair (once again, great job making an accusation without basis of facts).

Additionally, my comment was not about the history, only the fact that YOU did not indicate that you were bringing in the Aruch to show that women didn’t cover their hair WHETHER OR NOT IT WAS ERVA. By saying what you did, “He wrote that it is no longer a dover sheberva and therefore a man can make a brocha in front of uncovered hair” you ventured into a halachic conversation.

>>No, but your ignorance of the subject would lead anyone to make a similar “accusation”.<<

Where is the ignorance. I only requested that you make it known why you were quoting the aruch in the first place, which you did not. and you then follow up your statement which was easily taken out of context by insulting people who took it on face value.

>>Not everyone has time like Joseph and you to write a whole megilla<<

fewer people have the time, resources or know-how to look up the aruch. So why say the quote that you did, and why assume people would either know the aruch or look it up, when by your own admission acknowlege people do not have the time for such things.

You know what you wanted to say, but that does not mean that the other members of the coffee room do, AND THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT WE ARE IGNORANT.

Once again, I am not a revisionist and I am not here to paint a different picture of the past. but your original comment and subsequent justifications are akin to saying that we say 3 times day in davening : ??-??-????? ??? ??-?????? ?????.

at least we are good.

Not everyone is able to follow conversations on the boards. Remember, a few days ago, there were many more posts in between. Additionally, not every time is a poster coming as a continuation of their previous post sometimes they are coming with a fresh idea. Try to keep that in mind in the future.

But, as I said, we are good.

Hill of Beans

I made a point in my first comment on this topic of hair covering, that the Aruchs comment no longe applies. WHAT MORE CAN I SAY? You see what you want to see.