Literal Democrat Staffers have been Rioting in Portland

Dear Huju,

Are you wondering where the wry, or the imaginative, staffers are rioting?

Hmm Andy, well it appears that the brain damage he received in PTLND back in June 19 has resolved itself.

Dear Bk,

Are you okay battling opponents that have no definition?

My take on all this antifa stuff is that some have no answer for the issues of the day. So they invent opponents that are easy to ecologically contest. You can win the battle against ghosts. I would rather lose to humans.

Jackk – check the phones of the mueller team, i think they were working on it – oh, wait…they accidentally got vanished

They are “a loose collection of groups, networks and individuals who believe in active, aggressive opposition to far right-wing movements” (ADL’s website)
The fact that they don’t have the typical organizational structure doesn’t mean they don’t exist, it means they are harder to root out. Both Federal and State law enforcement have said ANTIFA is involved in the current unrest. I trust law enforcement a lot more than I trust you regarding their existence.

Apparently, the Department of Homeland Security and TSA didn’t get the memo from the Trumkopf as to how dangerous the Antifah terrorists are. You may recall the President’s so called “News Conference” (aka a Trump bloviation hour) where repeated the bubba meisa about “planes full of black clad Antifah terrorists” flying TO Washington just before the Republican convention so they could disrupt the events. Its reassuring to know that the TSA security screeners allowed them to board their flights in uniform. Two days later the Trumpkopf was repeating the same story but this time they were flying OUT of Washington, apparently again with the approval of the TSA.

“I’m not happy when anyone gets hurt. Stop lying”

Your initial post about Mr Ngo appeared quite flippant and dismissive of the brutal and violent attack against him. If that wasn’t your intention then I apologize for misunderstanding.

Dear Bk,

This has come up a dozen times. Antifa is not political in that there is no aim or goal affiliated with it’s practice/fandom/fortitude/somebody-here-can-come-up-with-a-better-word. Are many of them troublemakers? Sure. There are troublemakers all over the place. Who cares? There are more real concerns than far out groups.

“Antifa is not political in that there is no aim or goal affiliated with it’s practice…”

“Individuals involved in the antifa movement tend to hold anti-authoritarian, anti-capitalist, anti-fascist and anti-state views, subscribing to a varied range of left-wing ideologies. A majority of adherents are anarchists, communists and other socialists who describe themselves as revolutionaries” (Wikipedia)
Seems pretty goal oriented to me. But lets be honest nothing anyone says will change your mind because you know better than all the idiot rubes who post here.

“Are many of them troublemakers? ”
Interesting choice of words to describe violent anarchists.

“Who cares?”
Federal and State law enforcement around the country.

Back to the OP. The police and the FBI stated that this has nothing to do with antifa.

They said fake news reports are taking away precious resources from fighting fires.

Dear Bk,

“apply their ideology to the world”

The world does not work that way. This is not reality. If anti State sentiment’s bother you, try to figure out what they think. We may as well be discussing a Martian invasion.

These people are dangerous. Currently, they are not a real threat. Protests and riots are not part of their tactics. There is more to the topic. You may have a point. Keep it on point. If you want to talk about revolutionaries in general, than keep it general.

One more point. If the major topic of the day is street violence, than we have to realize all the participants. Singling out one type will do nothing to solve the problem. When you want to stop violence, effective counter measures are called for. Political or partisan rhetoric is useless.

For the most part, Antifa is not associated with the current unrest. Why is this so hard to admit? Do you have no grasp of left wing extremism? You could only say antifa, antifa, as If you have a point?

BK I’m nor responsible for your justification for lying, never have been never will be.

Amil, will you explicitly condemn Andy Ngo’s attackers instead of just saying “I’m not happy when anyone gets hurt?”
If not, how is it different than Trump’s “good people on both sides” line at Charlottesville or “all lives matter”

I am.

Dear One,

End goal of Marx? And now Marx was also advocating specific goals?!? Okay okay, say; international coalitions of skilled laborers. How would that be effected in 2020? Hmm, and there is still no relevance to antifa. You are advancing a very confounding anthropology. This is literally current events. It should not be hard to identify who is who.

What’s a book?

“They’re radical communists.”

I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that your yeshiva never offered a basic political science class. Antifa is anarchist. Anarchists are the opposite of communists. Instead of an oppressive totalitarian regime, they want no regime at all. Both are awful but anarchists will never be sufficiently well organized to accomplish anything because they are ideologically opposed to organizing.

Dear Charlie,

Boogaloo can be right or left or none. The most visible are right wing racists.

n0m,

But there are political groups that have refused to come out and condemn these groups. At least not as much as the other side.

Dear Two,

I do not get your point. What do you surmise from that?

n0m,

I will try to respond to your comments/statements.

Dear Two,

“A politician does not have to condemn every act of violence.”
When something as significant and has the effect that these riots and lootings had on the general public, politicians should step up and at minimum voice their opposition to this, otherwise, it seems as if they are for it, not against it.

“1. When it happens on their watch.”
Yet a lot of Democratic politicians not only refused to condemn this, but they also backed these ‘peaceful protests’, But you can also add major politicians that are running for the highest political office in the country into the category that should have come out against it.

“2. When it comes from their demographic.”
Black violence, what’s that?

“Now, why does every political group have to come out and condemn all the violent unrest? Solving today’s conflicts, is a long and complex process. Why make it harder with endless condemnations that do not solve anything?”

Because rioting and hurting innocent citizens on such a grand scale should be condemned, protesting and hurting police officers should be condemned.

What is so hard to understand?

Dear Two,

It is so easy to understand, that it does not have to be continually stated. Trump hates the KKK. But his critics claim he does not in far enough to condemn the group. The only reason Trump is accursed of supporting far right groups, is because he sounds like them. Once his position is known, it is stupid to keep asking him to condemn them. In short, condemning violence to clarify policy is pointless.

You made a different point. That the current trend is so abnormal, that it must be condemned. First, we would have to check the record of who condemned it. Once is enough. Those that harp on it are doing it for political gain. (Which is perfectly legitimate.)

At this point, the protests and riots, have lost their momentum. The agenda-driven activists, have returned to their regular activities. It is clear that the violence is more about a lack of faith in law and order, or truth and justice. The solution is to confront the violence and shut it down. At this time, words ring hollow.