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I like mocking Obama and Trump, but I do miss the Bush days when it was standard to compare the president to a monkey with the same first name as him.
Gadolhadorah,
“To those idiots like Limbaugh, Savage etc,, I’d just wish one of these “toys” shows up in their mailbox so we can wish whats left of them a refuah shelamah.”
And this rhetoric is just as terrible as what you’re so bothered by from the other “side”.
Neville ChaimBerlin,
“Conspiracies against Jews leading to Antisemitism are out there, but they aren’t being spread by Trump”
Yes they are. Every time he rails against the globalist conspiracy to ruin America, the white supremacists wink and say hamevin yavin (well, not exactly that, but you know what I mean).
Health,
Not to mention BLM
Avram, that isn’t an example of Trump spreading theories against Jews. If you interpret every time someone criticizes globalism as “the Jews control the world,” then you have apparently been programmed to be subconsciously anti-semitic. If people interpret what he says as this mythical “wink” you liberals love to bring up, that isn’t his problem. He can’t refrain from talking about the real issues like globalism and immigration just because a small fraction of rightists will take the rhetoric too far. I don’t believe leftists like Bernie Sanders should be held back from talking about issues out of fear for extremists either.
What I have to assume you want to go back to is bland, Bush/Clinton status quo America where none of the politicians talk about the issues people care about. I imagine you are the type to complain about “everything being polarized,” and how “everyone used to be more moderate.” Am I correct?
2016 should have been a wake up call. The people were never laid back about issues like immigration, they just didn’t have a candidate to support their actual views on it before. Having real, Conservative representation is not a bad thing.
Health,
Here is an example.
I quote from a tweet from DJT. These are his own words. “The very rude elevator screamers are paid professionals only looking to make Senators look bad. Don’t fall for it! Also, look at all of the professionally made identical signs. Paid for by Soros and others. These are not signs made in the basement from love! #Troublemakers.”DJT accuses Soros of being behind the Anti-Kavannaugh campaign.
Why did he need to mention Soros ? The point of the tweet would mean the same whether he mentioned Soros or not.
After he tweeted this, the neo-Nazi website the Daily Stormer wrote this and included a screenshot of DJT’s tweet: (Do not look at that website unless you want to get chizuk to move to Eretz Yisrael today or pray for Moshiach to come soon)
“It is impossible to deny that subversive anti-American Jews were the primary force involved in a sinister plot to destroy Kavanaugh,” Lee Rogers wrote on the site a couple of days later. “These Jews do not represent the interest of America. They represent the interest of their diabolical and evil race first and foremost.”
Avram is correct that Trump has spread (probably unwittingly ) the antisemitic conspiracy theories of the Nazis.
Soros’s name has also been used to vilify the caravan walking to our southern border as a Jewish conspiracy to overrun America.If you want to know about Obama , talk to the thousands of Jews who interacted with him daily for 8 years. Don’t develop a theory based on a picture.
Being next to someone in a photograph is very often meaningless.
Health,
“Stop with your lies about Trump!”
I have not lied. Sorry. כל הפוסל במומו פוסל
“Where were you when Obama was president?!?”
What does this have to do with President Trump?
“We don’t even know whether Obama is an Antisemite or not, because it was hidden.”
Given his lame duck slap of Israel via the UN and his administration’s general tone-deafness, I’d say it was quite possible. President Obama’s rhetoric reflected the anti-Semitism on the left (anti-Israel, anti-milah, anti-shechita, etc.), while President Trump’s rhetoric stirs up the anti-Semitism on the right (Jews control the world and seek to undermine nations, are polluters of purity, etc.). I’m happy to call out both, but the latter is more threatening and imminently dangerous right now.
Neville ChaimBerlin,
“If you interpret every time someone criticizes globalism as “the Jews control the world,” then you have apparently been programmed to be subconsciously anti-semitic.”
It doesn’t matter how I interpret it. It matters how the white supremacists interpret it. I think the whole “globalist vs. capitalist” dichotomy is a false one anyway.
“If people interpret what he says as this mythical “wink” you liberals”
“You liberals”, wow. Calm down the keyboard warfare there, realize that I am a human being and that I’m not your enemy, and talk to me like a human being. Thank you.
“love to bring up, that isn’t his problem. He can’t refrain from talking about the real issues like globalism and immigration just because a small fraction of rightists will take the rhetoric too far.”
Actually, that is his problem. And it would be quite a simple thing to clarify, “oh, when I say globalists, I do not mean Jews, and I wholeheartedly condemn and reject anyone who twists my words in order to peddle anti-Semitic conspiracy theories.” Yet has he said anything of the sort?
Avram, suspecting President Trump of the type of wink wink anti-Semitism you describe by implication without explicitness is absurd given Trump’s proven track record both long before he ran for office as well as since he’s been in office of being an overt Oheiv Yisroel who has a consistent record of taking action, not just words, in support of Jewish causes.
This is not to even mention his supportivness of his daughter’s Jewish conversion and supportivness of his Jewish son in law in business and in office. Or his father’s track record supporting Jewish causes.
Joseph,
“Avram, suspecting President Trump of the type of wink wink anti-Semitism you describe by implication without explicitness is absurd given Trump’s proven track record … of being an overt Oheiv Yisroel”
Lol, this is the classic “I’m not racist, some of my best friends are black!” retort. It’s not absurd at all. I do not think that Donald Trump subscribes to the racial animus towards Jews espoused by Nazi ideology – in other words, I think he sees Jews as “white”. However, I do think he subscribes to the Jews secretly control the world/desire wealth above all else tropes. But at the end of the day he is a believer in the-ends-justify-the-means. Therefore, he is willing to work with this supposed Jewish cabal to get his financial, political, and attention-getting desires met where applicable, and he is equally willing to rail against the cabal to his base in order to get their votes, while keeping it subtle enough to not completely upset the former collaborations.
Joseph, by the president not speaking up against white nationalist he is enabling them by giving them strength and a platform so they should falsely be thinking that he is advocating their beliefs.
The issue is the president is falsely accused of supporting them. He needn’t denounce every group his political opponents and media haters demand he denounce based on their false insinuations of his support.
Health,
If you can’t remember any, can’t you do a little research?
Call any one of these people, I dare you, and then come back and confirm that you were wrong.Rahm Emanuel Chief of Staff to the President
Ben Bernanke Chairman, Federal Reserve
David Axelrod Senior Advisor to the President
Elena Kagan Solicitor General of the United States
Jack Lew Secretary of the Treasury
Eric Lynn Middle East Policy Adviser
Daniel Rubenstein Ambassador to Syria
Dan Shapiro Ambassador to IsraelObama never was and is not an antisemite. It was not hidden. It does not exist. Just like Trump isn’t.
Your accusation of him is false.I disagree with Avram on this . A lame duck act committed after 8 years in office regarding the state of Israel in the UN, as payback to Netanyahu who had shamed and embarrassed him publicly – in the US Congress also – for many of those years is not a sign of antisemitism. Just remember what Netanyahu did – all you people who think now that it is a chilul Hashem of the highest proportions and a lack of gratitude to criticize the current president.
Who do you think Israel has to thank for the Iron Dome ?
Israel , under Obama, received more than $20.5 billion in foreign military financing. Unlike President George W. Bush, who rejected Israel’s request for bunker-buster bombs, Obama became the first president to approve the sale of these advanced weapons,
Under Obama’s 8 years , the U.S voted against resolutions in the General Assembly condemning Israel, cast the only “no” votes on five anti-Israel measures in the Human Rights Council, and worked to ensure that the General Assembly hold its first-ever session on anti-Semitism. Obama also prevented the Palestinians from unilaterally declaring an independent state.
Health, being so pro-jewish, why does he not called out the white nationalist thereby contributing to all the murder?
Health-
Liberals live in the real world. The first and largest attack against Jews was committed a week ago.
It could have been any one of us commenting here.
All any good American cares about is that it should not happen again.
Whatever caused it needs to be prevented and not giving excuses or “thoughts and prayers.”The first and largest attack against Jews was committed a week ago.
First?
There’s a list of attacks directed at Jews that Ywn posted, I suggest you read it
Health, Obama is a diplomat who does not want to create more terrorism,
besides two wrongs don’t make a right.Health, also not all islamic are terrorists and there are other terrorists.
Health,
Thank you for confirming to me that you are stuck in your ignorant belief that Obama is an antisemite and nothing will ever change you. You should stop mentioning your belief on TYW until you are at least open-minded enough to debate it and change. It makes sense since I think you still believe that Obama was not born in Hawaii, USA.
Coffee Addict – you are correct. But for some reason, I did not feel personal fear due to those attacks. Whereas now I say a prayer before going into a shul, yeshiva, school, kosher restaurant …
Health,
“Pres. Trump is NOT PC & feels no need to defend his comments! Therefore if right wackos decide to turn his words around – he doesn’t respond!”
And that is wrong. Words matter. Communication matters.
“Trump remembers a world that wasn’t guided by PC. He lives in that world. Unfortunely you only live in your PC World, NOT the Real World!”
If it were the 1950s, Donald Trump would have had his mouth washed out with soap by now. This “not PC” nonsense is just an excuse to be false, uncivil, and nasty.
Joseph,
“The issue is the president is falsely accused of supporting them. He needn’t denounce every group his political opponents and media haters demand he denounce based on their false insinuations of his support.”
This post is quite surprising coming from you. I never knew you were an Obama supporter.
Health, if you accuse someone falsely of terrorism, they might as well be terrorist. If you accuse muslems falsely of terrorism, they don’t lose anything by being terrorists.
Politicians in general are arrogant, lying gamblers.
Obama is the academic type of anti-Semite.
Health, Obama did not want to accuse all islamic people who did not commit terrorism, as I mentioned above, that creates more terrorism.
If you think the president needs to end every sentence with “by the way, this doesn’t mean I support white supremacists,” then your opinions are a joke and nobody should be wasting time talking with you. The truth is, YOU LIBERALS (who are my enemy and the enemies of the country) will never be satisfied with anything the presidents says. We finally got someone who talks about what conservatives actually want to hear and it terrifies you. And, where is this even coming from that he’s “never denounced the white nationalists?” He absolutely has; are you guys just trying to get in on the booming fake news business?
On a side note, I do not believe Obama was an Anti Semite. I don’t believe in accusing everyone with different opinions of bigotry. That’s a the leftist strategy.
Your appeasing Trump like Neville Chamberlin did the Nazis.
“don’t believe in accusing everyone with different opinions of bigotry. That’s a the leftist strategy.”
Ah but you do believe in accusing everyone with a different opinion of being ” my enemy and the enemies of the country,” I’m not sure how that is much better.
“And, where is this even coming from that he’s “never denounced the white nationalists?” He absolutely has;”
Can you provide an example please? He came close after Charlotsville but went on to condemn “both sides, both sides” and revealed this gem ““You also had some very fine people on both sides,”
Health, you are emphasizing muslem giving the inpression that they are all responsible. How would you like it if things were reversed and they would call it Jewish Terrorism?
Just as a point of information. Our president has refused to renew a domestic terrorism grant program established by President Obama. He has already canceled a grant that fights white supremacist terrorism. This program initiated by President Obama in 2016 has distributed $10M in grants. No reason for these actions but one recipient with measurable success was underfunded and dropped from the program. Again no reasons given by the administration.
Laskern, Muslim terrorism is a different type of terrorism. Radical Islamic groups have created a whole category. If there were chas v’shalom an equivalent Jewish group, “Jewish terrorism” would be the right term.
Health
We have been over this.I asked you before, you didnt answer. Here it is again:
I have had rebbeim (plural) who said that it was a “mitzva” to rateve (rescue) yiddish gelt from the government who steals and wastes money, by taking whatever we can even by any means necessary.
Unfortunately followers of this view are sometimes caught.
Do you support the government/media labeling such theft as “Jewish thievery” ?
“It’s an absurd question, because of what I just wrote. But just to humor you – Yes, I would.”
Thank you for answering, and now I understand where you are coming from (sort of, I still don’t get why it is so important to say “Islamic terrorism”).
On the other hand I would be very upset by said expression, most of the people I know, and I’d venture to say most Jews would similarly be very upset by said expression.
Even if you would be ok with the expression “Jewish thievery” in the hypothetical (for argument’s sake) scenario I outlined, can you see why many if not most would find it offensive, and would be upset by it?“Yes, I would, if it was said generally.”
Bingo! I’m so glad you got it.
now you do not have to agree (especially since you indicated that you would be ok with the expression “Jewish Thievery” in the scenario I outlined)now, just as people would be upset by the expression “Jewish Thievery,” Others are upset by the expression “Islamic Terrorism”
As a general rule, if an expression you plan to use will upset people (as you indicated you understood) and benefit nobody IT is a good policy to avoid that expression.
and even if it where to somehow benefit somebody that benefit needs to be weighed against upseting people.and on top of that the expression “Islamic terrorism” does worse than just upset people. It runs the risk of alienating vast swaths of people from bein potential allies.
Take ISIS for example, the ones of have suffered the most at their hands are other Muslims. Turning the conflict into a “US vs Muslims” crusade (as GWB unwisely said”) Has the possibility of gaining nothing and only causing harm“Not celebrated – like we have seen – candies & cake given out!”
Agreed
did Obama give out candies and cake?Ubiq – im not gonna jump on this political blackhole but you are definitely not playing straight. You are taking advantage of his emotional approach and arguing style to discount all his points. Saying there is a shred of similarity between “jewish thievery” and not denouncing islamic terror hours after terrorists credit islamic ideology for the deed is crazy. Sure you can have fun spinning in circles with him on this but that wont make you right.
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