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August 25, 2011 7:12 pm at 7:12 pm #598909mamashtakahMember
People, we don’t say things like chewing gum is not tznius, or wearing sunglasses is not tznius. We use the proper word, tznua, in this context.
The proper plural of Shabbas/Shabbat is Shabbasos/Shabbatot. It is not Shabbasim.
I feel much better now.
Shabbat Shalom
August 25, 2011 7:15 pm at 7:15 pm #1116126apushatayidParticipantIs isnt tznius to correct other people.
August 25, 2011 7:18 pm at 7:18 pm #1116127Sam2ParticipantShabbosim is Yiddish, Shabbosos/Shabbatot is Hebrew.
August 25, 2011 7:29 pm at 7:29 pm #1116128ootinnyMemberand its def not tznius to say shabbasos/shabbatot bec no1 says that and it would be attracting attention to oneself
August 25, 2011 10:28 pm at 10:28 pm #1116129bein_hasdorimParticipantTznius is used to describe the act of being a Tzanua.
Therefore especially in yiddish the statement “Es Iz Nisht Tznius,”
is used mainstream.
August 25, 2011 11:21 pm at 11:21 pm #1116130HaLeiViParticipantShabbatot Shlomiot
August 26, 2011 12:11 am at 12:11 am #1116131brotherofursParticipantLOL
August 19, 2015 6:23 pm at 6:23 pm #1116132👑RebYidd23ParticipantThe Yiddish language has its own rules of grammar.
August 19, 2015 7:12 pm at 7:12 pm #1116133gofishMemberHow did Yom Tov become ‘yontif’???
August 19, 2015 8:23 pm at 8:23 pm #1116134technical21ParticipantShalish shudis
August 19, 2015 9:56 pm at 9:56 pm #1116135👑RebYidd23ParticipantShalishudis as one word.
August 20, 2015 3:12 am at 3:12 am #1116136cozimjewishMemberYeah whenever people say Shabbosim it really irks me!! (And I’m so not into dikduk, it’s mad.) I do say talleism though…
August 20, 2015 5:38 pm at 5:38 pm #1116137☢️ Rand0m3x 🎲ParticipantThe difference between “yontif” and “shaleshudos” or “balebatim”
is that all the sounds in the latter two were present in the
original words, whereas there is no “n” in “yom tov.”
(As for the “f,” “v” is close enough.)
August 20, 2015 6:32 pm at 6:32 pm #1116138technical21ParticipantAs for the “m,” “n” is close enough;)
August 20, 2015 8:38 pm at 8:38 pm #1116139☢️ Rand0m3x 🎲ParticipantActually, it isn’t.
Go “fffff” and then “vvvvvv” and see how much of a difference there is,
then go “mmmmmmm” and then “nnnnnn.”
August 20, 2015 11:00 pm at 11:00 pm #1116140technical21ParticipantActually, when you contract the words “??? ???,” it’s not difficult to hear how the “m” could have become an “n.” It’s much more difficult to say “yomtif” than “yontif.” There are people who do say “yomtif,” but it’s not so common because it’s harder on the mouth.
By the way, there are examples of words in the English language that are actually written the way they are to make pronunciation easier. For example, the word “irresponsible” is not “inresponsible” because it’s harder to say. Same for “immobilize” and the like. Obviously ???? ??? isn’t going to have exceptions like that (or at least I think not-correct me if I’m wrong), but you could understand why words change. (Shaleshudis is the same thing- it’s not easy to say “??? ??????,” especially as Americans who pronounce everything ??????, when most Hebrew words are ?????.)
August 20, 2015 11:52 pm at 11:52 pm #1116141simcha613ParticipantIt’s ba’al kriah not ba’al korei. Korei means reader. Kriah means reading. It’s master of the reading (ba’al kriah) not master of the reader (ba’al korei).
August 21, 2015 2:59 am at 2:59 am #1116142cozimjewishMember“(As for the “f,” “v” is close enough.)”
Which is why people call themselves “rifki”
August 21, 2015 4:56 pm at 4:56 pm #1116143screwdriverdelightParticipantthe “o” in chol hamoeid is not pronounced like the “o” in pot.
seider has a d, as does agudah.
chavrusa tumel, italicized or chavrusa tumult, the second word unitalicized.
“daven for the amud” doesn’t make any sense.
????? and ????, not ????? and ??????
what simcha613 said, plus- ‘tokeia’ not “ba’al tokeia”
chanukkah and purim are not chagim
“licht bentchin” should probably be “licht tzindin”
people go to shul (or a bais k’neses), not to minyan.
there are no three day yomim tovim.
August 21, 2015 5:55 pm at 5:55 pm #1116144YomKippurKotonMemberThere are two “o”s in chol hamoeid…..
August 21, 2015 5:58 pm at 5:58 pm #1116145YomKippurKotonMemberAnd I straight up disagree with 3 day yomim tovim. It’s just a matter of convenience. Otherwise you’d have to call it something like “two day yom tov adjacent to shabbos”. If you do that, well, I don’t see why you think it’s necessary for everyone else to.
August 21, 2015 8:32 pm at 8:32 pm #1116146technical21Participantscared driver delight- or you could say ??? ?????, no?
August 23, 2015 5:45 pm at 5:45 pm #1116147ItcheSrulikMemberI’m fond of telling people that the “baal koreh” is either the guy from Hameniach or the Koreh’s husband, though FWIW the Aruch Hashulchan uses the yiddish tallesim instead of the Hebrew tallitos.
August 23, 2015 6:14 pm at 6:14 pm #1116148ravshalomParticipantIf were nitpicking, it’s Hamaniach not Hameniach (??? under the ?).
Which reminds me, the “ah” sound is pronounced Patach not Pasach (??? ??? in the ?).
Re Yontif, it’s like the English word “comfortable”, which is more commonly pronounced confortable or confterble.
August 24, 2015 6:19 pm at 6:19 pm #1116149screwdriverdelightParticipantPassover in Hebrew is Pesach. Polish pronunciation would render it Peisach. Paysach doesn’t mean anything.
August 24, 2015 7:59 pm at 7:59 pm #1116150☢️ Rand0m3x 🎲ParticipantI’ve don’t think I’ve ever heard “comfortable” pronounced with an “n.”
(Welcome back to the CR, Ravshalom!)
August 25, 2015 9:21 am at 9:21 am #1116151takahmamashParticipantRe Yontif, it’s like the English word “comfortable”, which is more commonly pronounced confortable or confterble.
I’m not sure where you live, but I’ve never heard comfortable pronounced with an “n.”
August 25, 2015 1:50 pm at 1:50 pm #1116152ItcheSrulikMemberravshalom: right you are. After all “dikduk” does literally mean “nitpickery” doesn’t it?
August 25, 2015 3:13 pm at 3:13 pm #1116153golferParticipantItcheS, you could say that I guess.
But I much prefer to think of dikduk as exactness.
(As in “dikduk b’mitzvos”)
August 25, 2015 3:15 pm at 3:15 pm #1116154nfgo3MemberRebYidd23 tells us: “The Yiddish language has its own rules of grammar.” Actually, every language has its own rules of grammar. Can someone recommend an authoritative text that lays out Yiddish rules of grammar? In the Yiddish-speaking yeshivas, is there a text book that is used to teach Yiddish grammar?
September 22, 2015 4:16 pm at 4:16 pm #1116155screwdriverdelightParticipant??? ????? ???? is probably a hybrid of ????? ???? and ??? ???.
October 21, 2015 12:37 am at 12:37 am #1116156☢️ Rand0m3x 🎲Participant“Bez din.”
October 21, 2015 5:37 pm at 5:37 pm #1116157oomisParticipantRe: g’mar tov
I always learned that on Rosh Hashana we say k’siva v’chasima tova, on Yom Kippur we say, g’mar chasima tova, and on Succos, g’mar tov (and a gutte kvittel).
October 21, 2015 8:47 pm at 8:47 pm #1116158technical21ParticipantGmar chasima tova makes sense… you’re wishing the other person that the final sealing of his din for this year should be good.
October 21, 2015 8:48 pm at 8:48 pm #1116159technical21ParticipantAnd “bez din” is just a way of pronouncing. What about people who say the name “Aharon” as “Ahrin” or “Yaakov” as “Yankiv”? It’s yeshivish-speak.
October 22, 2015 6:40 pm at 6:40 pm #1116160screwdriverdelightParticipant??? is ???? ???
???? is ?????
Plus, what’s the “final sealing”? Are there different stages in the sealing?
October 22, 2015 11:41 pm at 11:41 pm #1116161☢️ Rand0m3x 🎲ParticipantNot yeshivish-speak, but an accent.
December 13, 2015 10:42 pm at 10:42 pm #1116162screwdriverdelightParticipant??? ?????, not ???? ?????.
December 14, 2015 4:20 am at 4:20 am #1116163Little FroggieParticipantWhy’s that? Who in the world is ????
December 14, 2015 4:57 am at 4:57 am #1116164screwdriverdelightParticipantWhy’s that?
Who in the world is ????
That’s why.
December 14, 2015 5:23 am at 5:23 am #1116165Little FroggieParticipantIt’s supposed to be ?? ?????, that’s out Yetzer, the biggest ??, that barks, ????. Oy does he bark. And in the end of days HaShem will prepare a feast of him…
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