Lessons Learned from the False Arrest of the Innocent Tzadik in Flatbush

BTW, I know the family and they are black hat yeshivish, not chassidish

other than NYPD, all other actions will be in beis din. Will be interesting to see.

CS

Zero chance
for NYPD there has to be “probable cause” No question being accused of asking a child to leave with you is “probable cause”

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“Yay.

Hopefully, the chasid has learned the very important lesson of not touching other people’s children for any reason.”

@GadolHadofi

Pekak,

I wrote “chasid”, which has other meanings and uses besides “chassidish”. You may want to read the entire thread from the beginning.

@fakenews, as I suggested several pages earlier, why not just learn a sefer or by heart. Where is a tzadik running?

AAQ

I think he’s saying becasue the NYPD is involved and the ycan be sued in secular court beis din will let him include the mother and shomirim.

It is good that it makes no sense to yo, because the whole thing is silly. no-one is getting sued. I mean there are frivolous cases but even lawyers have their limits

@Hadofi, when one asks “ahbe to hock a chinik” like they say in yiddish, I don’t have the inclination to spend my time arguing with him, I advised him to consult with his LOR if he had any questions on halacha.
PS I don’t need to watch YouTube, I am a risk manager and deal with torts all day long.

I am a little nauseated by how far the world has went. A Yungerman asks a boy to walk through a hallway with him in full view of his mother and other women, and he is called all sorts of names because he touched his shoulder for a few seconds, and it’s his own fault that he got arrested? Are you mad? And if I tap a ten year old on the shoulder to ask him to pass me a piece kugel by a crowded kiddush, it’s curtains for me? That’s ridiculous.
We are not all involved in this constant thinking about every move in certain terms when it comes to children. And these mentalities trickle down to the kids too in inappropriate fashion, I know someone who worked in a more modern camp (by my standards, for you that may be regular) and he told me that every other time two kids had near physical contact with one another they immediately called each other “creep!”. That’s not normal. People of any age should not be constantly thinking in such terms.
Yes, obviously there is a problem out there, and we must be on the lookout for such things. But that doesn’t mean one must panic at the slightest touch. These things must be dealt with slowly and with caution, not jumping to the moon at the slightest hint at anything wrong.
This is not how a Jewish society operates, you have to use seichel. Maybe instead of worrying about abusers single-track-mindedly, worry about innocent people sitting in jail too, I think that a few years in prison is at the very least a comparable tragedy an abuser situation. Take the time to use your brains! this is not an all or nothing, the police don’t have to be called that very second.

P.S. Anyone slightly yeshivish (Besides the ladies) knows that a man doesn’t walk between two Ladies. So while it may be true that your circles somehow abolished this halachah(?!) it didn’t happen by the yeshivah oilam.

And P.P.S. I heard from someone who knows the Chassid/Tzaddik/Litvak that he is also a major Talmid Chacham.