- This topic has 50 replies, 18 voices, and was last updated 3 years, 9 months ago by .
-
Posts
-
Trump just released a lot of restricted paper work.
One thing is that this British agent invented the Russian collusion to take away the heat off Hillary’s email scandal.Does anybody think, like I do, the leaders of the DemonCrats were part of this conspiracy from the beginning?!?
I also think that this conspiracy is still going on.
First with stealing the Presidential election.
And now hiring thugs to distract the Stealing when Congress is trying to deal with it?Fortunately, Health, very few people think like you.
There is a conspiracy by Trump and you from the right, Retrumpicans, who believe that the election was fraudulent causing the Capitol insurrection.
Congress is not dealing with the “steal” because there is nothing to deal with. They are dealing with a madman who incites mobs from his position of power while spouting lies that even his most ardent supporters don’t believe.
His most ardent supporters don’t believe in violent riots (unlike the blm enabling government officials) but they also don’t believe he incited anything but another opportunity for the extreme left giants to destroy the country with decisive cancellations.
@syag-lchochma True. But the fact that there are precious few Republicans that believe that Trump won the election makes him the lone voice of insanity shouting in the wilderness.
I disagree with that generalization. It lumps together too many seperate points. I don’t know if trump won, and i don’t know how many think he did but i do know that many people believe there was more fraud than usual (there’s always fraud and leftists who deny it happily admitted to it 6 months ago). The fact they don’t want to go along with what it turned into doesn’t mean it has no merit.
âStrong evidence, including Chansleyâs own words and actions at the Capitol, supports that the intent of the Capitol rioters was to capture and assassinate elected officials in the United States government,â prosecutors wrote. Prosecutors offered that view in a filing asking a judge to detain Jacob Chansley, the Arizona man and QAnon conspiracy theorist who was famously photographed wearing horns as he stood at the desk of Vice President Mike Pence in the chamber of the U.S. Senate. The detention memo, written by Justice Department lawyers in Arizona, goes into greater detail about the FBIâs investigation into Chansley, revealing that he left a note for Pence warning that âitâs only a matter of time, justice is coming.â
Here are some of Trumps most ardent supporters.
As of Tuesday, authorities had opened about 170 investigations into people who potentially committed crimes, according to the Associated Press. That number is expected to grow.
An Arkansas man who allegedly used a flagpole to beat a police officer during last weekâs riots at the US Capitol has been charged by federal authorities, officials said.
Peter Francis Stager, 41, faces one count of obstructing a police officer from his duties during a civil disorder, according to a federal complaint filed Thursday in Washington, DC.
He was captured on video and photographs striking the prone DC Metropolitan Police officer after rioters dragged the cop down the Capitolâs west stairs, officials said.
Richard Barnett faces federal charges of entering and remaining on restricted grounds, violent entry and theft of public property after photos surfaced allegedly showing him occupying the office of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi.
Adam Johnson faces three felony counts of entering or remaining in a restricted building without lawful authority, theft of government property and violent entry and disorderly conduct on Capitol grounds. Johnson has been identified as the man seen carrying the Speakerâs lectern during the occupation, according to Nexstarâs WFLA.
Doug Jensen faces five federal charges: knowingly entering or remaining in any restricted building or grounds without lawful authority, disrupting the orderly conduct of government business, violent entry and disorderly conduct in a Capitol building, parading, demonstrating, or picketing in a Capitol building and obstructing a law enforcement officer during a civil disorder. He has been identified as the man seen on video leading the mob upstairs inside the Capitol during the riots, according to Nexstarâs WHO.
Eric Gavelek Munchel, 30, was charged with one count of knowingly entering or remaining in any restricted building or grounds without lawful authority, and one count of violent entry and disorderly conduct on Capitol grounds. Multiple media outlets have identified him as the person pictured carrying âzip tieâ handcuffs at inside congressional chambers.
Robert Keith Packer was charged with knowingly entering or remaining in a restricted building without lawful authority and violent entry and disorderly conduct on Capitol grounds. Nexstarâs WAVY identified him as the man seen wearing a Camp Auschwitz sweatshirt during the riot.
Derrick Evans, a West Virginia state lawmaker who posted videos online showing himself pushing his way inside the Capitol, was arrested Friday by the FBI at his home and charged with entering restricted federal property. He has since resigned his position in the House of Delegates, according to Nexstarâs WOWK.
Jacob Anthony Chansley, who also goes by the name Jake Angeli was charged with entering a restricted building without lawful authority, violent entry and disorderly conduct. Heâs been identified by the Department of Justice as the man seen wearing horns and carrying a 6-foot spear during the Capitol riot.
Jackk – you do realuze prosecuters are free to write whatever they would like people to hear, right?
“If your only — or even simply your first — point in defense of Trump is that Democrats are hypocrites or have double standards, you are in effect arguing that the left dictates your standards.
If you say Trump can’t or shouldn’t be held to account because liberals didn’t hold their own side accountable for (what you allege) was similar incitement or behavior, what you’re really saying is you care less about your own standards than the hypocrisy of the left.
I have no problem complaining about the hypocrisy of the left. But even if the facts were exactly as you allege, I still oppose incitement and unconstitutional behavior. The left’s shifting standards shouldn’t change conservatism’s standards.”
Jonah Goldberg, The DispatchCut and paste, cut and paste. Are you giving it credibility because someone stated it or because someone published it.
Hmmm, another thread filled with some insane statements…
Why do I feel like whenever I reply to one of your (leftists) posts, I’m ignored and you just repeat the same stupidity?
Jackk, at WORST, trump said a few statements that can be interpreted different ways, the violent nutjobs were going to act like violent nutjobs regardless, and at NO POINT did their violence have the support of Trump or ANY conservative. Oh and why no mention of john sullivan, and his suspicious-to-say-the-least activity within the capitol? By the BLM riots, democrats didn’t ignore it. They OPENLY ENCOURAGED it!
Election fraud is not a “conspiracy” and is not believed by just “trump’s most ardent supporters”-its supported by plenty of statistical analysis across all the states in question. Just because the actual actions of fraud, and the evidence, was successfully covered up, doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. No one will likely ever know if it happened. But it doesn’t take a “lunatic with horns” to honestly believe there was plenty of monkey business going on…“itâs the first time Congress or any of the 3 branches of the national government was making public the Fraud?”
You aren’t connected to reality. And your rants make no sense. Please seek help.
Heath and company- you are living in a very weird bubble of bad information- this was a real insurrection- weather trump truly intended to specifically have the mob murder members of congress- is not the only fine point! He summoned by twitter the mob, hosted another grievance ârally â , had his speakers and himself tell the mob that they were weak if they didn’t take action, Guliani said they needed trial by combat, Trump himself that he would walk with them down Pennsylvania Avenue to go to the capital . Dayanu!! Sigh, none of this is up to debate. It happened live before your eyes. You donât need to make up your own reality . Reality doesnât care what you think- its still reality . time for tshuvah and to return to the world. You are an important part of our Jewish community and have life left in you to do good in the world. But you cannot be a light unto the nations if you are lost.
Health, as usual, you don’t make any sense. Riots after certification is like closing the door after the horse escaped from the barn but riots before certification came about to stop it.
Charlie, jack, Reb e, why do you all seem horrified when Trump makes some QUESTIONABLE comments, that MAY have to do with the insurrection, but not when democrat officials OPENLY ENCOURAGE violence? Been trying to understand this for some time now….
I have asked a variation of that question several times, tho to different posters, and never received an answer.
I’ve been left to wonder as well.The Democrats by saying things did not create insurrection whereas Trump did.
Yes, I believe what happened two weeks ago in Washington showed us previous trump supporters that we were mistaken, he should not have got the nomination, and even when he did we would have been better off with an experienced politician in place even dare I say Hillary Clinton. All hashems plan
If your only â or even simply your first â point in defense of Trump is that Democrats are hypocrites or have double standards, you are in effect arguing that the left dictates your standards.
If you say Trump canât or shouldnât be held to account because liberals didnât hold their own side accountable for (what you allege) was similar incitement or behavior, what youâre really saying is you care less about your own standards than the hypocrisy of the left.
I have no problem complaining about the hypocrisy of the left. But even if the facts were exactly as you allege, I still oppose incitement and unconstitutional behavior. The leftâs shifting standards shouldnât change conservatismâs standards.â
Jonah Goldberg, The DispatchJust remember 30,000 people went to Washington to protest and riot because of a lie. There was nothing for anyone to do other than overturning a legitimate election to meet their complaints. BLM protests were in response to people being killed by the police. You can find the video of George Floyd being choked to death if you are not sure. For anyone to compare BLM to the Capitol Riot is just pathetic.
So ask your variations of questions and engaged in partisan mudslinging, but if you can’t differentiate between people protesting over police brutality versus people protesting over a lie, you likely need some serious help.
Oh, mr stalker friend, are you still on my tail? I wasn’t the first one who adked the question, so why not answer him. Or do you only do antagonistic postings. Perhaps the mods can do me a favor and encourage you to save you nasty comments for your offline friends.
Trump lied and people died.
Dems make stupid comments because its in their DNA. When they form a firing squad, its generally a circular formation and self-destructive.
Trumpkopfs (aka recovering Republicans) actually are much better shots and form a linear tactical position which can have real consequences, and just did.
No jackk, I’m not basing our standards off the Dems. I’m saying
-Trump said some comments that at worst are QUESTIONABLE, and could be interpreted different ways, and he actually called for the violence to stop multiple times throughout the day. I would have liked him to have more strongly call out the violence, and beforehand, and so he may have acted a bit Irresponsible-but he in no way encouraged the violence.
-im asking a simple question, and would like an answer-why is it ok for Democrats to openly encourage violence, why isn’t the media, and democrat voters all over them for that? Ens tried answering that they were justified as they were in response to a police officer killing george floyd. Now ens, do you that floyd had fatal levels of fentanyl in his system when he died? Does that inconvenient fact matter at all? Do you really think that these BLM rioters care about black lives? Why then would they be burning down black-owned businesses, why don’t they care about the amount of blacks killed by other blacks? The narrative that they are “rioting for their lives” is GARBAGE! These people are bored, hate authority, hate America, and simply love owning the “victim status”. Facts matter. Democrat politicians massively contributed to the anarchy that ravaged our cities for months. And you all give them a free pass. But I guess it’s ok, because as GH said, it’s in their DNA.đArson and looting is wrong and should be prosecuted. But for the arson and looting that was near me (walking distance), videos showed NYPD officers standing by and doing nothing to stop it.
But there is a difference between simple criminal activity and the attempt to overthrow the US government by force, which is what happened on January 6. And the mob was incited by President Trump and its goals were supported by a majority of Republicans in the House of Representatives — and also by many commenters here, such as the people trying to deflect from their support of treason with whataboutism.
There is nobody here supporting the violence, riots or breaking in the capitol. Nobody. But each of you keeps excusing the other violent, lethal, destructive riots and play them down. Stating all sorts of rationalizing destruction and death. As well as refusing to denounce BOTH the riots, and the fact that government officials joined and supported financially. Why is it hard to get a denouncement on this?
Charliehall,
Wishing thing to be true does not make them so.Everything you stated is demonstrably false.
1) Liberal CNN has acknowledged that the Capitol mob was planned days before Trump spoke.
Meaning it was literally impossible for his speech to have been the impetus for it.
That is a fact.2) There is no person here who supported overthrowing the US government. Furthering that lie is an illustration of the reason 75 million people voted for trump and continue to support him.
3) The far left did in fact knowingly occupy the center of a Major American city, they did state clearly that they did so in order spark an insurrection. They were not condemned by an Democrat politician.
4) Personally, I was very wary of the claims of voter fraud, I thought the election had been “legally” stolen (Democrat machine going house to house in certain Democrat cities getting vote) seeing the level of suppression of speech and attempts to silence any attempt at pen debate of Republicans.
A level of pure hypocrisy and lying makes me think that perhaps it is true, there was actual fraud.
And I know many people that are beginning to think the same.Charlie, what good is prosecuting the arsonists and looters when they’ll be bailed out of jail with funds raised by organizations promoted by Kamala Harris?
Don’t know what your comment regarding the Nypd “standing by and doing nothing to stop it” have to do here, you write that as a distraction.(besides you have no idea what the circumstances surrounding the particular incident were)
The problem is that we have Democrat officials cheering on violence and destruction when it comes to the BLM riots. This is a problem in itself. But on top of that we have the blatant hypocrisy when it comes to a “trump incited” riot-which he actually condemned repeatedly. Here, it’s impeach, impeach, impeach….It’s difficult to have a rational exchange with so many democrats/leftists. They don’t think logically or even understand logic or empiricism, the cornerstone of objective thought. Their offense involves unjustifiably grabbing for the moral high ground and name calling, and their defense is yelling “no whataboutism”. I have two words to say that come straight from the heart: David Dorn. This is not about leftist hypocrisy as despicable as it may be. This is about an absolutely horribly realistic fear of the democrats re-engineering the great USA and undoing all of its characteristics that have made it a safe haven for Jews and all of its citizens such as equality under the law, due process, freedom of speech, and yes, the free market. Leftists/Democrats on this forum take heed: you will not like the America that the left is attempting to create.
1) Liberal CNN has acknowledged that the Capitol mob was planned days before Trump spoke.
Meaning it was literally impossible for his speech to have been the impetus for it.
That is a fact.If breaking into the capitol by a mob was planned (and I agree that it definitely was and that was the main purpose of the Stop the Steal rally ) then it makes it exponentially worse for Trump. He organized a rally for the purpose of physically attacking congress.
2) There is no person here who supported overthrowing the US government. Furthering that lie is an illustration of the reason 75 million people voted for trump and continue to support him.
If you supported the plan to prevent the duly elected 46th President of the US from taking office, whether by legal shenanigans or brute mob force, you are supporting the overthrow of the US Government. That is the term for it.
3) The far left did in fact knowingly occupy the center of a Major American city, they did state clearly that they did so in order spark an insurrection. They were not condemned by an Democrat politician.
That is demonstrably false.
Here are President Joe Biden’s public statements. All these are on the web and public.
(May 31) Protesting such brutality is right and necessary. Itâs an utterly American response. But burning down communities and needless destruction is not. Violence that endangers lives is not. Violence that guts and shutters businesses that serve the community is not.
At a speech in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania on June 2, he said, âThereâs no place for violence, no place for looting or destroying property or burning churches or destroying businesses [âŠ] we need to distinguish between legitimate peaceful protest and opportunistic violent destructionâ
On July 28, Biden also condemned violent protests at a speech in Wilmington, Delaware, as seen here at the 8 minute 24 second mark.4) Personally, I was very wary of the claims of voter fraud, I thought the election had been âlegallyâ stolen (Democrat machine going house to house in certain Democrat cities getting vote) seeing the level of suppression of speech and attempts to silence any attempt at pen debate of Republicans.
A level of pure hypocrisy and lying makes me think that perhaps it is true, there was actual fraud.
And I know many people that are beginning to think the same.Most American’s, including Trump supporters, have concluded the exact opposite. It is now clear to them that Stop the Steal is completely imaginary and Trump and his band of thieves know that their followers are so gullible that they can pull the wool over their eyes and repeat a lie a thousand times and it will magically become truth. Trump was never going to concede losing. He was defiant like Pharoah until the end.
TVAP,
Bail after being arrested is not a get out of “responsibility for your actions” free card.
Over 10,000 people were arrested in just the first 10 days after Floydâs death on May 25. The arrests are permanently on the person’s record, they face jail time or a fine and losing employment. (Trump supporters are now learning this the hard way.)
Between 15 to 26 million people attended a demonstration over the death of George Floyd and others. (Now you know why Trump lost. 81,000,000 people are disgusted with him. ) Most of them were peaceful.Democratic leaders did not cheer on violence and destruction. They were advocating for protests and they encouraged continue protests.
The protesters at the Trump rally were protesting a lie that was fed to them by Trump that the election was stolen. If you listen to his long speech at the protest, he repeats this many times.
What did Trump want to happen after his speech? Saying walk over peacefully does not exonerate him for the other times that he intimated that it needs to be more forceful.“We’re gathered together in the heart of our nation’s Capitol for one very, very basic and simple reason, to save our democracy.”
“We will not let them silence your voices. We’re not going to let it happen. Not going to let it happen.”
“Our country has had enough. We will not take it anymore and that’s what this is all about. To use a favorite term that all of you people really came up with, we will stop the steal.”
“That’s what they’ve done and what they’re doing. We will never give up. We will never concede, it doesn’t happen. You don’t concede when there’s theft involved.”
“When you catch somebody in a fraud, you’re allowed to go by very different rules.” (THIS IS ONE OF THE MOST DAMNING STATEMENTS HE SAID.)
“Let them get out. Let the weak ones get out. This is a time for strength….It’s all part of the comprehensive assault on our democracy and the American people to finally standing up and saying, ‘No.’ This crowd is again a testament to it.”
“You will have an illegitimate president, that’s what you’ll have. And we can’t let that happen.” (THIS IS ALSO A DAMNING STATEMENT.)
“We will not be intimidated into accepting the hoaxes and the lies that we’ve been forced to believe over the past several weeks. We’ve amassed overwhelming evidence about a fake election.”
“We’re going to see whether or not we have great and courageous leaders or whether or not we have leaders that should be ashamed of themselves throughout history, throughout eternity, they’ll be ashamed. And you know what? If they do the wrong thing, we should never ever forget that they did. Never forget. We should never ever forget.”I reject violence, looting and rioting. I also reject stealing, murder and assault. I reject racism also.
âvideos showed NYPD officers standing by and doing nothing to stop it.â
Charlie,
I spoke to a police officer (while he was off duty) about this and he said a lot of his friends moved to Florida and he has a few years left until retirement so he wants to keep his nose clean (just like a lot of police officers probably) and not start up with the riot for fear heâll be fired for protecting himself
“theyâll be bailed out of jail”
Release on bail prior to trial is a right under common law and the US and State Constitutions. Sorry you hate our legal system so much.
“you have no idea what the circumstances”
I know a lot more about the circumstances than you do about the other cities you complain about. Like I said, it was walking distance from my house.
Those of you who support insurrection apparently, are only focusing on the violence aspect, which I am not sure I have seen anyone here disagree with that where BLM protests resulted in violence it was wrong. But for the life of me I have no idea how you equate what the two groups are protesting about. One was police brutality (and racism) which are real things which go look up the George Floyd video if not sure the other was protesting because of some lie about election fraud.
I mean this may be hard for you to comprehend, but when you have millions of people protesting there will almost always be some incidents. In the BLM protests there were people who took advantage of the riot to loot stores for example. But without excusing the violence do you disagree with people protesting the well documented police brutality (does anyone here disagree that the murder of George Floyd, which is on video, by police was wrong)?
On the other hand, what justification was there in the first place for the massive protest that led to the insurrection riot in the Capitol? They were there protesting because they were being lied to, clearly and openly by Trump, Rudy, Hawley, Cruz, Hannity, Carlson, Jenna Ellis, Powell, and others. Or do you actually believe the lies? Further, the only possible thing those spreading the lie could have wanted to accomplish, was to overturn a lawful election and undermine American Democracy. What else could have been attempted here.
All of you, simply pointing to the violence, are attempting to avoid the uncomfortable truth that the protests were driven by an attempt to overturn an election and undermine American Democracy.
For those of you who have “questions” the answers are clear if you were to try to be honest with yourself. For Syag, no, I am not your stalker, I just see through your attempt at playing the unknowing bystander to conversations asking “innocent” questions. You know good and well the game your are playing and you just don’t like being called out on it.
“not start up with the riot”
If the attitude of police is that they don’t want to protect lives and property that is an argument for de-funding police, something I have consistently opposed until now.
No mr stalker, i am not playing any games. I don’t know who your former screenname was, or why you have chosen this failed mission, but my posts 10 years ago, and my conversations in text and real life are consistently questions about thought, intent and a desire to clarify things that people say that i don’t understand or want to have clarified. You are either some disgruntled former poster, or you are a new poster who did a very poor job researching your target. Either way, go away.
And speaking of poor research, your claim about police brutality, specifically toward blacks, leaves much to be desired.
âIf the attitude of police is that they donât want to protect lives and property that is an argument for de-funding police, something I have consistently opposed until now.â
So your position regarding police is that they should lose their jobs âdefending property and livesâ and if they donât they should lose pay by being defunded
So theyâre damned if they do and damned if they donât
Makes a lot of sense
Thanks for clarifying the issue so thoughtfully just hoping people on this thread actually read and understand it
there are many traffic signs steering people left. if using public services to expand their base isn’t a conspiracy then I don’t know what is.
Why does antifa .com bring me to whitehouse. Gov
Even if Biden didnât authorize it wouldnât he not want to be associated with it?
Health, i think its time to rephrase the “C” word more accurately, as follows. Most on y.w. appear to be leftist-conspiracy sympathizers, whereas you are (as Foster Gamble phrases it) a “conspiracy analyst”. As i said elsewhere in this forum, i can picture 1940s Jewish Hungarians labelling Eastern Europeans “conspiratists” when they came to warn them of the genocide happening in the east.
- You must be logged in to reply to this topic.