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October 29, 2024 11:16 pm at 11:16 pm #2327946Faux NewsParticipant
In the grand tapestry of American politics, the leftist liberal agenda shines brightly, like a neon sign in a power outage—bold, eye-catching, and completely disconnected from reality. Let’s take a closer look at some of the more creative policies proposed by our liberal friends that promise to usher in a utopia, one kale smoothie at a time.
1. Universal Basic Income: Paychecks for Breathing
Ah, universal basic income (UBI)—the idea that everyone should receive a monthly stipend for simply existing. Finally, a way to fund my lifelong dream of being a professional couch potato! Why work when the government can pay you to binge-watch every season of The Office? Proponents argue that it will reduce poverty and stimulate the economy, while critics wonder how exactly we’re going to pay for this miraculous cash flow. Perhaps we can just print more money—after all, who needs stable currency when you have feelings?2. Free College: Because Knowledge Should Cost Nothing
Leftists have proposed that college should be free for everyone, as if education were a right, not a privilege. This bold idea will surely lead to a renaissance of learning, right? Except, when everyone has a degree in Underwater Basket Weaving from a state school, what will that degree even be worth? Let’s not even mention the impending student loan crisis that will just shift from individual debt to national debt. But hey, who cares about the fine print when you can finally pursue your true passion of studying Medieval Juggling Techniques without the burden of debt?3. Green New Deal: Saving the Planet One Absurdity at a Time
Enter the Green New Deal, an ambitious plan that proposes to eliminate all fossil fuels and magically replace them with renewable energy sources overnight. As if transitioning an entire nation from gasoline to solar power could happen without a hitch! The plan includes banning air travel, which is great news for anyone who enjoys cross-country vacations—who needs to see the Grand Canyon when you can just watch a documentary about it on Netflix? Additionally, it promotes a complete overhaul of our infrastructure, ensuring that every building is fitted with wind turbines and solar panels, because nothing screams “eco-friendly” like a wind turbine farm in a residential neighborhood.4. Defunding the Police: A Recipe for Community Trust
Perhaps one of the most baffling ideas is the movement to defund the police, with the belief that reallocating funds to social services will magically make crime disappear. Because nothing builds community trust quite like a neighborhood devoid of law enforcement. Who needs trained professionals when you can solve disputes with a community potluck? Just imagine: “Oh, you stole my bike? Let’s sit down over some gluten-free cupcakes and discuss your feelings!”5. Cancel Culture: The New Puritanism
In the age of cancel culture, liberals have embraced the notion that we can erase uncomfortable conversations by simply silencing dissenters. If someone says something you disagree with, just tweet about it until they’re exiled to the shadowy corners of the internet! After all, if we can’t engage in civil discourse, what’s the point? This policy is particularly effective in keeping us all in echo chambers, ensuring we only hear opinions that align perfectly with our own. Who needs diverse perspectives when you can surround yourself with a chorus of agreement?As we navigate this brave new world of leftist policies, one thing is clear: the road to utopia is paved with good intentions and a delightful lack of practical solutions. While these ideas may sound appealing in theory, the real world has a way of reminding us that not everything is free, and that life is not just about feelings—it’s about consequences. So, here’s to the great liberal experiment, where logic is optional, and dreams of a perfectly equitable society reign supreme!
October 30, 2024 2:35 pm at 2:35 pm #2328159akupermaParticipantThe Democrats (including, and led by, their “Progressive” wing) have logical policies based on factual errors, and on biases that most Americans don’t share. They are misinformed, and instead of mocking them, their mistakes should be calmly debated.
October 30, 2024 11:25 pm at 11:25 pm #2328271Ex-CTLawyerParticipant@Faux
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Free CollegeThis what built the Jewish American middl class in the NY area.
My parents attended City College (father) and Hunter College (mother) in the 1930s for the cost of subway fare. Books, notebooks, writing utensils were provided at no cost,My home state of Connecticut provides free Community College (Associates Degree) to any recent graduate of high school in the state.
I have no problem with my tax dollars funding higher public education.
I feel the same about this as K-12, free public education for all; if you want a private education fund it yourselfOctober 30, 2024 11:26 pm at 11:26 pm #2328326Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantUS has a great feature – separate states. Start implementing any of these policies in one state, so you can test 50 policies at the same time. If they work, then surely others will pick it up. Stop risking the country by applying potentially dangerous and surely divisive policies.
November 1, 2024 9:04 am at 9:04 am #2328584keithParticipantEx-CT Lawyer – the difference is a) back then a college education meant you were educated. Today much of the curriculum is nonsense. b) Dorms were spartan the emphasis was on education back then. Since then there has been great numbers of new hires but these are mostly administration (eg DEI VP’s and similar) that provide nothing to improve education as well as very expensive construction (large luxurious dorms and gyms) and so the cost was minimal when your parents went to school, very reasonable when I went (30Y ago), and outrageous today. c) Most college graduates are not working in the same fields as they obtained their degree.
The bottom line is college costs an enormous amount of money, the education obtained (outside of STEM) is questionable at best and probably detrimental in most cases, results in individuals suffering under enormous debt for a piece of paper that no longer indicates a real education, and is irrelevant for most as most are not working in their studied fields.
In that case I’d say the individual who wants a college certificate – education is by no means certain – should by all means pay for it and go but I should not pay for my neighbor’s certificate.
November 1, 2024 9:05 am at 9:05 am #2328654Neville Chaimberlin Lo MesParticipant“1. Universal Basic Income: Paychecks for Breathing”
The only president to have actually practiced this so far was Trump in 2020 with the Corona stimulus checks. Why is it magically not stupid when he does it?“Because nothing builds community trust quite like a neighborhood devoid of law enforcement.”
Most of rural America does not have local law enforcement, and the crime there is lower. They also don’t have to worry about being arrested for self defense like you do in the cities that are swarming with cops. Why is it that all the cops had to do was kill a guy on camera for the new-right-wingers to completely forget about Waco and Ruby Ridge and all the other anti-government talking points? Why did doggish loyalty to the government become a “conservative” value overnight?“5. Cancel Culture: The New Puritanism”
I don’t like it either, but it’s not a government issue. Losing friends or jobs over unpopular political positions is not an example of censorship. Many of the Republican plans to fight “PC culture,” however, are examples of censorship (eg. Nikki Haley wanting to basically nationalize social media).For the record, I’m not a liberal. In case it wasn’t clear, I think the republican party has become liberal in many ways I don’t like (pro-big government, pro-deficit spending).
CT-Lawyer:
If you want to donate money for kids to go to college, nobody is stopping you, but why should the rest of us have our bank accounts looted? We have our own families to worry about, and can help others with whatever extra we have, but the government should have no right to make that decision for us.“I have no problem with my tax dollars funding higher public education.
I feel the same about this as K-12, free public education for all; if you want a private education fund it yourself”
I haven’t heard the cancel-student-loan-debt advocates say that it should only be for people who attended state colleges.November 2, 2024 9:09 pm at 9:09 pm #2328778Ex-CTLawyerParticipant@Keith
City College, Hunter, Community Colleges are commuter schools. No dorms, Spartan or otherwise.
No meal plans in the free tuitionI have taught in Community colleges as an adjunct (probably half the staff is) ; tend to be professionals working in the field, not the ideologues who work full time in academia
November 2, 2024 9:09 pm at 9:09 pm #2328779Ex-CTLawyerParticipant@Neville
I am not a cancel student loans advocate.I paid for my own Ivy League education, MBA, Law School
My kids were offered the cost of a state university education paid for by me, if they chose private, they were responsible for the difference in cost. They paid off their student loans.
I have two grandsons learning during the day and getting the free Community College education at night. After completing the free Associates they will switch to paid college for the rest of BA degree and then law school, then enter family firm.
November 3, 2024 9:42 am at 9:42 am #2328962keithParticipantEx lawyer –
I don’t disagree there are two schools in the United States that can provide an education at reasonable cost. I’m talking about every other state school. I’m confident you can find another exception or two but I’m talking about where nearly all the other students go. Community college can be useful for vocational school but does not provide a useful certificate many companies require for a job. Nearly all public and private schools in USA have a bloated administration and new luxurious accommodations for students that is specifically the reason college is so expensive. Also with the government backing the loans there is no reason for them not to do this and charge ridiculous amounts. And the kids are getting a certificate not an education and this has been the case for at least 20-30 years outside of stem. Even now stem is getting infected by dei where they are beginning to accept aboriginal mythology as equivalent to science!
November 3, 2024 9:42 am at 9:42 am #2328970Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantFor good, but not top level students, look at quality out-of-state state colleges, preferably online version.
These colleges look for out-of-states, as their in-state enrollment is limited to state subsidies. So, you benefit from their reputation, earned by in-state selectivity, pay more than in state, but still way less than comparable private. Online gets you another 50% discount.
November 4, 2024 8:41 am at 8:41 am #2329139Ex-CTLawyerParticipant@Keith
I did not propose community college as a total college education, but a way to 1/2 a BA of BS at zero cost to student for tuition (as it is in CT).
My grandsons are taking all there required math, science and English courses, so when they transfer to University as as juniors they will be taking only courses in their majors. Knowing they are going into law they will be taking economics, accounting, finance, history and polisci. They will avoid most of the humanitities where students are subjected to revisionist thinking.
Since their parents, grandparents, aunts, uncles are all college educated professionals the boys can be steered to appropriate classesNovember 4, 2024 8:41 am at 8:41 am #2329262Neville Chaimberlin Lo MesParticipant“I am not a cancel student loans advocate.”
Why not, out of curiosity? Obviously, I’m also against it, but you and my shittos are very different.“So, you benefit from their reputation, earned by in-state selectivity, pay more than in state, but still way less than comparable private.”
I’m not sure if prices have changed since I was in college, but this traditionally was not true. Paying out of state tuition was usually comparable to paying for an average private university. You are correct that they are less selective with the out of state people that have to pay more… Kind of pokes a small hole in CTL’s whole theory about public schools being magically above any and all corruption.November 4, 2024 5:28 pm at 5:28 pm #2329507Ex-CTLawyerParticipant@Neville
I did not write public schools are above any and all corruption. Please don’t put words in my mouth.
I addressed the fact that the typical adjunct teaching community college is likely to be working full time in his/her field and less of an ideologue than the full time university academics.
Out of state tuition to state universities is much cheaper than private universities.
In New England to save taxpayers money the 6 state university systems try to avoid duplicative programs with limited enrollment and high cost and admit students from the other 5 states at in state tuition cost.
This has been around for decades.
As for student loans, the borrower voluntarily signed a promissory note, received the services and should pay for it.
I am willing to make some accommodations for students who were defrauded by for profit schools who closed down, and student stuck with no transferable credits.
Also loan payment credits for working in areas of great need for wages below the going rate in more popular areas (teachers, doctors, nurses in remote underserved locales).Many in the CR are aware that I may be a social liberal, but am a fiscal conservative.
In my grandparents’ time (1910s) an 8th grade education was sufficient to earn a living and perform most common work tasks), in my parents time (1930s) a high school education sufficed, today a college or technical education is needed. I believe society as a whole benefits from a dictated workforce and am willing to pay for it through my taxes.BTW, for those who will raise the issue of ‘illegal aliens’ receiving free college education: the Connecticut plan for free community college for high school graduates requires the student fill out the Fafsa form and all grants are paid directly to the school. The Fafsa is only open to US Citizens
November 5, 2024 11:00 am at 11:00 am #2329626Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantkeith > where they are beginning to accept aboriginal mythology as equivalent to science!
even if this is true, you don’t HAVE TO (so far) to tka it, you can take normal science. As xCTL says, educated parents can help student take reasonable classes at reasonable prices.
November 5, 2024 11:00 am at 11:00 am #2329630Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantNeville > , but this traditionally was not true.
college prices go up way higher than inflation, and private higher than public, so do the math (if you took it).
My experience is with ASU and U of FL, their prices are lower than comparable private in midwest and northeast. It may be different in other places.
Also, online now is highly competitive – as the competitor is just a click away.November 5, 2024 11:00 am at 11:00 am #2329632Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantxCTL > Fafsa is only open to US Citizens
I don’t think so, green card and refugees, for sure, and asylum seekers with valid docs also.
November 5, 2024 11:00 am at 11:00 am #2329651Neville Chaimberlin Lo MesParticipant“I did not write public schools are above any and all corruption. Please don’t put words in my mouth.”
That’s a fair criticism. I apologize.“Many in the CR are aware that I may be a social liberal, but am a fiscal conservative.”
Sorry, but I think we’ll have to agree to disagree about the definition of fiscal conservatism. I know you might point out that you happen to take the fiscally conservative stance on vouchers, but that could just be because you’re doing whatever the opposite of what republicans do. Is there ever a time where you are fiscally conservative even when the mainstream democrat shittah is not to be?“BTW, for those who will raise the issue of ‘illegal aliens’ receiving free college education: the Connecticut plan for free community college for high school graduates requires the student fill out the Fafsa form and all grants are paid directly to the school. The Fafsa is only open to US Citizens”
In fact, men have to register for the draft to be eligible for Fafsa (unless that changed). That being said, it’s not Fafsa people are worried about. It’s nonsense like the DREAM act or whatever that are just designed to give cash rewards to anyone who can swim across the Rio Grande and avoid capture.
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