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September 8, 2020 10:56 am at 10:56 am #1899221Resident MortalParticipant
With the left now openly advocating for killing babies, LGBTQRSTUVWXYZ rights, burning and looting other peoples property, down playing potentially live saving medications that can help mitigate death of covid, and antisemitism. i know that most of the left doesn’t believe in Hashem but even the ones that do, do they actually believe they are in the right or are they just choosing to be stupid for short term power?
September 8, 2020 3:40 pm at 3:40 pm #1899504akupermaParticipantKilling surplus babies is a “leftist” position? When the Nazis killed Jewish babies, we thought they were “right” wing. And both the left and right include anti-Semites (one can argue that Jewish survival is to make sure that neither extreme comes to power).
We should remember that “left” and “right” refer to which side of the parliament different groups sat on in the French parliament during the French Revolution – and that Jews didn’t get the right to vote or hold office in France until after the revolution.
We also need to remember that in basic economic matters, most frum Jews tend towards the “left”, and indeed, our community has a history of left-wing positions in many areas such as providing education for all and supporting the poor and regarding such support as a duty.
September 8, 2020 4:50 pm at 4:50 pm #1899518Reb EliezerParticipantFor Jews, abortion is not killing as the Torah requires to pay money because according to the Rav Chezkuni there in Mishpotim (21,22) who says that life begins at birth. It is done as a last resort.
September 8, 2020 5:43 pm at 5:43 pm #1899515CuriosityParticipantAs one who has personally observed a few leftists in their natural habitat, I’ve documented two distinct types.
The first, a naturally insulated genotype, whether by circumstance or by result of intentional intellectual self-segregation, exhibiting an infantile insecurity in their own belief system, which manifests as an abrasive and oft hostile xenophobic tendency towards other-minded individuals, is typically atheistic out of pure ignorance of all theism. They do not bother themselves with socially acceptable norms for “morality”, as they have no regard for social acceptance outside of their insular social puddle of amorality.
The second, typically a former centrist, right leaning, or apolitical breed, too distract by their own virtue signaling to focus on morality and reality, do everything in their power to fit in with their newly found leftist circles, lest they be perceived as a centrist/right leaning thinker and be cannibalized by their new peers. Driven by a bitter resentment towards anything associated with their former philosophical belief system, they self-ostracized from their prior social circles either fully or partially (the reason for their partial withdrawal typically being due to a subconscious nagging guilt, or to not lose their financial dependence on said prior social circle). Despite having no logical connection to the cause of the trauma inflicted within the prior circle, any philosophical agreement is a painful association, in a PTSD sort of manifestation, and must be dissociated from fully. This breed is concerned with morals, but is willing to live with the cognitive dissonance to support their self-ostracization, viewing it as a justifiable means to an end. Traditional definitions of right and wrong and morality at large are not viewed with the widely accepted centrality-to-life, but as an auxiliary factor that must be sacrificed for the subject’s own mental health, as they are simply doing what they can to survive their own past emotional trauma.
It is standard for both of these categories to lash out at anyone seeking to define them as unoriginal or fitting into a mold, despite them being unoriginal, and fitting into a mold better than a bunt pan pound cake, sans frosting. It is also expected for them to refuse all logical arguments regarding theism and to lash out emotionally when confronted with logic. Somehow they self define as spiritual but not religious, and not believing in any known God, despite not typically spending any serious amount of time studying Theology with any serious level of breadth and depth. They take their lattes with soy, and pumps of various chemically processed foreign flavoring agents.
September 8, 2020 5:47 pm at 5:47 pm #1899553n0mesorahParticipantDear Resident,
What is ‘now’? These were known positions of the left when Joe Lieberman was on the ticket.
September 8, 2020 5:47 pm at 5:47 pm #1899554HealthParticipantRE -“For Jews, abortion is not killing as the Torah requires to pay money ”
That’s one Shitta out of 5.
September 8, 2020 5:48 pm at 5:48 pm #18995591Participantakuperma we don’t believe in stealing for the rich to help the bums.
September 8, 2020 5:52 pm at 5:52 pm #1899549PROUD REPUBLICANParticipantwere you hoping to be banned? -29
September 8, 2020 5:52 pm at 5:52 pm #18995571ParticipantYes
September 8, 2020 9:08 pm at 9:08 pm #1899620unomminParticipantNo, clearly not all Leftists are rishoyim. The rest are just walking around with a diagnosable mental disorder.
September 9, 2020 12:01 am at 12:01 am #1899694n0mesorahParticipantDear Curiosity,
I enjoyed your post!
Your observations give on explanation as to why the left would be so vast and self sustaining. The fact that the distinct left is numerically equal to the mainstream right, indicates that the majority of leftist people are calm or bland enough to mesh with society at large.
September 9, 2020 9:27 am at 9:27 am #1899767ToiParticipantI once saw a great way to sum it up.
The right thinks the left is crazy.
The left thinks the right is evil.The truth is, the reasons why people lean left or right have been explained by Jonathan Haidt and are more complicated than just being crazy or evil, but I think AOC basically summed it up recently when she commented how being morally right was more important than being factually correct. If it seems right and feels right, it is right. And when you base your morals on whatever your gut feeling is, because there is no higher power to lay down morals, you ended up believing ‘reproductive justice’ is not the most ironic misuse of the word in history.
September 9, 2020 2:54 pm at 2:54 pm #1899832Ed in MianiParticipant61,628,584 Babies Have Been Killed by Abortions in the US Since Roe v. Wade in 1973. Leftest (sic) are reshoem, do you think?
September 9, 2020 2:54 pm at 2:54 pm #1899841👑RebYidd23ParticipantIn general, leftists aren’t reshoim, but the leftest are.
September 9, 2020 7:24 pm at 7:24 pm #1899942JacobLevParticipantDo you think that all the women and their partners who had the 61,628,584 abortions
since Roe V. Wade are all leftists or did they become leftist after their abortions?
Do you believe that Republicans never get legal abortions?
How many of those abortions may have been medically necessary? Also how many
dangerous illegal abortions would still occur without Roe V. Wade?September 9, 2020 7:57 pm at 7:57 pm #1899990n0mesorahParticipantDear Toi,
You could be summing up both today’s left and today’s right. Feelings run high in our times. Education runs low. Except for the costs. And the profits of the premier institutions.
September 9, 2020 7:57 pm at 7:57 pm #1899992n0mesorahParticipantDear Ed,
How many would there have been if it was not overturned?
September 9, 2020 7:58 pm at 7:58 pm #1899997n0mesorahParticipantThe main reason why gun advocates are pro life is, they are running out of moving targets.
September 9, 2020 8:07 pm at 8:07 pm #1900005Reb EliezerParticipantPeople don’t do abortions for the fun it. It is not something being enjoyed. Rape should be prosecuted more and being educated of the consequences of having relationships at a young age without the proper protection.
September 9, 2020 9:13 pm at 9:13 pm #1900020n0mesorahParticipantA lot of pro lifers never think of what it would mean he Roe v. Wade were overturned.
I am just fine with being pro life in the status quo. Let’s avoid abortion because of the sanctity of life. Not out of fear of jail.
September 10, 2020 2:13 pm at 2:13 pm #1900284HealthParticipantRE -“People don’t do abortions for the fun it. It is not something being enjoyed.”
You’re right! But if you have one anyways, you will be Chayev Misah in Most cases.
So the OP is Correct!“Rape should be prosecuted more and being educated of the consequences of having relationships at a young age without the proper protection.”
That’s true.
But you Leftists are against Real Punishment & teaching Abstention until Marriage!September 10, 2020 9:52 pm at 9:52 pm #1900469n0mesorahParticipantDear Health,
There is no traction in this country to abolish prison. The left is very into harsh sentences for violent crime.
September 11, 2020 2:24 am at 2:24 am #1900536HealthParticipantnOmesorah -“There is no traction in this country to abolish prison. The left is very into harsh sentences for violent crime.”
Very Not True.
Unfortunately, the exact opposite is occurring.
Funny – now it’s clear to e/o that says – why kill them – you could put them in jail and it accomplish the same thing.
We now know – why Hashem only wants the Death Penalty.
The other punishments aren’t Sustainable!The article appears in the UMKC Law Review, Vol. 87:1.
“In recent years, there has been a growing bipartisan consensus that the uniquely American policy of mass incarceration is both fiscally and morally unsustainable.”
September 11, 2020 9:55 am at 9:55 am #1900567☢️ Rand0m3x 🎲ParticipantWe now know – why Hashem only wants the Death Penalty.
The other punishments aren’t Sustainable!The article appears in the UMKC Law Review, Vol. 87:1.
“In recent years, there has been a growing bipartisan consensus that the uniquely
American policy of mass incarceration is both fiscally and morally unsustainable.”I wasn’t aware that Hashem wanted the death penalty for everyone
found in possession of a certain amount of an illegal substance.
(Also, Hashem’s standards for conviction are very demanding.)“While the United States represents about 4.4 percent of the world’s
population, it houses around 22 percent of the world’s prisoners.”
Does that sound sensible to you? (Is this the most criminal country?)September 11, 2020 9:55 am at 9:55 am #1900569☢️ Rand0m3x 🎲ParticipantWe now know – why Hashem only wants the Death Penalty.
The other punishments aren’t Sustainable!The article appears in the UMKC Law Review, Vol. 87:1.
“In recent years, there has been a growing bipartisan consensus that the uniquely
American policy of mass incarceration is both fiscally and morally unsustainable.”I didn’t know Hashem wanted the death penalty for everyone found in
possession of a certain amount of an illegal substance, any perpetrator
of non-fatal violence, etc.
“While the United States represents about 4.4 percent of the world’s
population, it houses around 22 percent of the world’s prisoners.”
Does that sound reasonable? (Is this the most criminal country?)September 11, 2020 9:56 am at 9:56 am #1900570☢️ Rand0m3x 🎲ParticipantAs one who has personally observed a few leftists in their
natural habitat, I’ve documented two distinct types.Are there other types you haven’t documented,
or are you saying all leftism is pathological?September 11, 2020 10:07 am at 10:07 am #1900597☢️ Rand0m3x 🎲Participant(Isn’t there an anti-duplication feature in place?)
Edit:
Never mind, those posts weren’t identical. Post 1 included
“(Also, Hashem’s standards for conviction are very demanding.)”
while post 2 did not, and post 2 added a bit about non-fatal violence.September 11, 2020 11:16 am at 11:16 am #1900606☢️ Rand0m3x 🎲Participantbut I think AOC basically summed it up recently when she commented how being morally right was more important than being factually correct. If it seems right and feels right, it is right. And when you base your morals on whatever your gut feeling is
I looked this up, and it’s a misrepresentation. She wasn’t saying that it’s
more important for a given statement to be morally than factually correct,
she was commenting on people focusing more on fact-checking her than
on whether her positions are right.“If people want to really blow up one figure here or one word there, I would argue that they’re missing the forest for the trees,” she said. I think that there’s a lot of people more concerned about being precisely, factually, and semantically correct than about being morally right.”
Cortez said being “morally right” is more important than being “factually right” and that whenever she makes “a mistake” it is not the same thing as President Trump “lying about immigrants.”
“But being factually correct is important,” Cooper told her.
“It’s absolutely important,” Ocasio-Cortez agreed. “And whenever I make a mistake. I say, “Okay, this was clumsy.” And then I restate what my point was. But it’s not the same thing as the president lying about immigrants. It’s not the same thing, at all.”
September 11, 2020 11:55 am at 11:55 am #1900635Reb EliezerParticipanthealth, I am not a leftist but a centrist deciding every policy on its own merits being careful not to diminish social security by reducing payroll deduction as an example and advocating telling the truth.
September 11, 2020 12:36 pm at 12:36 pm #1900655HealthParticipantRandom3x -“I wasn’t aware that Hashem wanted the death penalty for everyone
found in possession of a certain amount of an illegal substance.”You put words in my mouth – Why?
Maybe you don’t know American Law?
For personal use – they just ticket you.
If you have a lot, they assume you want to sell it.
If you sell Illegal Drugs – you should be killed.“(Also, Hashem’s standards for conviction are very demanding.)”
Not at all for Goyim. Maybe you don’t know Halacha?September 11, 2020 5:42 pm at 5:42 pm #1900748👑RebYidd23ParticipantHealth, why should people selling illegal drugs be killed while people who sell harmful drugs legally become wealthy?
September 13, 2020 8:24 am at 8:24 am #1900887HealthParticipantYidd23 -“Health, why should people selling illegal drugs be killed while people who sell harmful drugs legally become wealthy?”
No one is forcing them to take the drugs. They probably take them for Medical conditions. So the benefit outweighs the risk.
September 13, 2020 3:35 pm at 3:35 pm #1901064n0mesorahParticipantDear Reb Yidd,
Similarly, why would a football player failing a drug test get a suspension; while a football owner paying out millions for his company’s role in the opioid crisis?
September 13, 2020 3:35 pm at 3:35 pm #1901074n0mesorahParticipantDear Health,
You confused harsh sentences for violent crimes, with mass incarceration for domestic regulations.
Then you switched the discussion.
Then you completely misconstrued the two different drug problems.
And all the counterpoints aimed at your position are currently unanswered.
I’m just curios if you mean to say that a pharmaceutical company that mislead the public about opioids should not be held accountable.
September 13, 2020 5:42 pm at 5:42 pm #1901156HealthParticipantnOmesorah -“I’m just curios if you mean to say that a pharmaceutical company that mislead the public about opioids should not be held accountable.”
If it is proven in a Court of Law that they mislead s/o about Narcs, they should be held accountable.
Just like the Cig companies who fooled e/o. This is called a Tort – in Law. -
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