Leaving out the Ribbono Shel Olam

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  • #603437
    gavra_at_work
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    I have not been posting for a while, but this really bothered me, and I feel that something needs to be said.

    I received a copy of a letter that was sent out to parents in a certain Brooklyn school regarding the upcoming Asifa (and this post is not to be pro or anti, please discuss that elsewhere). The second paragraph reads:

    The kinus will IYH encourage Klal Yisroel to use technology when necessary, with the protections that the Torah and Gedolei Yisroel expect of us.

    What happened to the Ribbono Shel Olam!!!!! What about “what Hashem expects from us”!!!! Without the Ribbono Shel Olam, we are all nothing.

    I can not believe that this school left Hashem out, and feel the need to Shrai.

    Thank you for reading.

    #874230
    popa_bar_abba
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    In that context, I use Hashem and the Torah pretty interchangeably.

    #874231
    Ben Levi
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    Yisroel Voraisa V’kudesha Berich Hu Chad Hu.

    Rav Chaim Volozhiner also explains in Shar Daled that learning lishma means learning “for the Torahs sake” Lshem HaTorah and is automatic Dveikus since the Torah is the words of Hashem.

    #874232
    pcoz
    Member

    I have a big gripe about this – talking about Hashem to students seems to peter out about the time kids live kindergarten. A high school rebbe would be embarrassed to talk about Hashem

    #874233
    Logician
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    A certain (pre-war) Adom Gadol criticized the slogan of a certain famous chareidi party because they were just throwing around “Hashem this, Hashem that”. We even use the term “Yiras Shamayim”, not “Yiras Hashem”. One’s relationship with Hakadosh Baruch Hu should be intensely personal, and therefore more private.

    #874234
    pcoz
    Member

    Logician – I have no problem with that, but that’s no reason for a total lack of education concerning G-d

    #874235
    Logician
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    a total lack of education concerning G-d

    Interesting Yeshiva you went to 🙂

    Education about G-d does not have to be learning Derech Hashem. It is learning His Torah, and His will. (Which includes Chumash, which sort of talks about Him a lot, too.)

    #874236
    apushatayid
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    GAW. Surely you dont think “torah” means something other than what hashem wants. Surely you dont believe “gedolei yisroel expects of us” means what they personally expect and not what they believe the torah expects from us. I think you are reading way more into this than you should. I also dont know what the preceding and following paragraphs say as well. Perhaps in the context of the entire letter there is no room for error.

    #874237
    HaLeiVi
    Participant

    Expect means, in this context, the expressed wish.

    #874238
    Logician
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    Could be this is what the posts here mean, but I want to spell this out clearly.

    We have no clue what G-d wants, and we cannot know such a thing, by definition – an issue with some parts of philosophy.

    We (try to) know what it says the Torah – where He has expressed His wishes for us.

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