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To all guys (or girls) learning full time in beis Midrash or kollel: Hoe do you do it? Where does your cheshek for leaening come from and how do you nurture that spark of desire to learn seriously for so many hours a day? If I want to do the same, do I need a really good rav or chavrusah, or can one improve simply by learning alone and with onl average chavrusahs? Also, how do you get proficient in learning rishonim and acharonim- does practice make perfect, or are there special tricks or other stuff to do? Above all, if I really want to learn seriously, how do get to a level where I can do that confidently and it is fun too (without asking for a rebbi to go thru it with u)?
Can’t really give any good solid advice as I am so not familiar with these things, but in general: If you enjoy something and love what you’re doing, hours don’t count. Find a way of learning that you really enjoy, and hopefully the rest will fall in to place.
Hmmmmm….sounds all nice and all, but the only thing I could help you with now is to pray that you find that beauty soon!!! Gluck!
rational frummie
Please check out the following:
dafyomireview dot com on the left hand side theres a google search bar. Paste the following “How to Build Enthusiasm in Learning” and hit search, the first thing that pops up is what you are looking for.
“how do you nurture that spark of desire to learn seriously for so many hours a day?”
If you place yourself in the right environment, you will genuinely enjoy it more and more the longer you do it.
“If I want to do the same, do I need a really good rav or chavrusah, or can one improve simply by learning alone and with onl average chavrusahs?”
I cannot emphasize enough how important it is to “click” with your teachers and chavrusas. I have had some awkward situations with chavrusas and honestly, if it isn’t a good fit you’ll just find yourself disliking the whole experience and that will move you backward. Lechatchila, absolutely, find yourself a rav and/or chavrusa who works well with you. B’dieved, learn alone (but make sure you at least have someone you can go to when you get stuck).
“how do you get proficient in learning rishonim and acharonim- does practice make perfect?”
Yep. No special tricks. Just sit with a dictionary and make your way through it.
“Above all, if I really want to learn seriously, how do get to a level where I can do that confidently and it is fun too (without asking for a rebbi to go thru it with u)?”
It will come with time. I would suggest including some challenging material in your learning as well as some material that you are familiar with or that you find easier, so you don’t feel like you are breaking your head the whole time. The more you succeed with the easier stuff, the more you will feel empowered to tackle the harder stuff.
I didn’t follow the link, so you might have seen this, but here is some advice. Learn with a motivated Chavrusa. That does wonders to your enjoyment of learning. Another thing, which not yet be possible, is to be Mechadesh.
If you learn something that motivates you, the interest level goes up. This year in Yeshiva, I joined a Halacha Chabura for first seder and for second seder I do Daf Yomi, and I’m really shteiging this z’man (even my Rosh Yeshiva complimented me on it).
Hatzlacha
1) Learn with a chavrusa
2) Dare to be unconventional: Artscroll, Online resources, iPhone apps
3) Tutor/learn with someone considerably younger – you will like a teacher and this will make you enjoy learning more
4) Listen to shiurim online or on the radio if you have ADHD
RF
My pleasure! Theres other great articles on that site as well as chazara programs and what not. Very yesodosdik useful site.
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