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When someone says that someone is a “learner/earner” what do they mean?
Is there a certain amount of hours a day that one must be working/learning?
Does a “learner/earner set his priority with learning or earning?
An earner/learner works and learns. A learner-earner learns and works.
I think that usually when someone is referred to as a learner/earner, it pretty much means, his focus is his working.
When i say i’m looking for a “learner/earner” i mean that I really want a learning boy but I don’t have the financial means to support… so I want someone that’s a real ben torah, sticks to daily sedarim, and is connected to a rebbi, and also works for a parnassah. When i had this discussion on a date, the guy told me not to use the term “learner/earner” cuz ppl will get the wrong impression… i don’t know what impression he meant though… so i said “what are you? you learn and you earn! so what does that make you?” and he responded “ugh, u sound like my mother” (no we did not go out again!) so i’m still waiting for someone to tell me what everyone else means when they say “learner/earner” and what i’m supposed to “label” the kind of guy i’m looking for…
and in regard to whether it’s learner/earner or earner/learner, i used to debate this all the time… my mother holds that it’s “learner/earner” because the learning comes first! But I thought that it should be “earner/learner” because the adjective comes before the noun so he IS a learner and “earner” is just a way to describe him… what do u all think?
No it doesn’t! Even a Worker learns a little.
When we reach shomayim, Hashem will not say oh here comes the earner/learner. Who are we to put titles on anyone.
Hodulahashem- dont put a title on a guy ur lookijg for. If your looking seriously your not going to want a guy with a title. If you want to give him one it shud go like this “BEST GUY EVER”. When your asking the shadchan what you want simply describe your situation. And if your giving him a title thst should be it not “learner” “eaener”. Then we are making assumions about someones job in life/ connection to Hashem/ yearning for Torah, when simply we just do not know.
Everyone needs to have a job to live. It’s not a bad thing.
when a person does a siyim he talks about 2 groups of people, yoshvei koranos and yoshvei bes medrish. seemingly, both of these groups basically sit all day. one group sits in the beis medrish and the other playing cards. yet he says anu ameilim veheim ameilim and rutzim veheym rutzim. seems wrong to say amilim or rutzim about either group. seems like neither group is rutzim or ameilim. furthermore, almost all of humankind does not fall into either category. most people dont sit around all day playing cards or in the beis medrish. (i think someone pointed that out once in one of these topics) most people get up in the morning and go to work and in their free time go to either beis medrish or to the theaters and coffee houses. and even people who go to beis medrish sometimes go to a coffee house and probably the people who go to coffee houses sometimes go to a beis medrish.
i think what it means is that lucky for us that our focus in life is to learn torah. we work in order to be able to live jewish lives which should primarily involve limud torah. the yoshvei beis do all of their amuelus and ritza in order to learn and live jewish lives. the yoshvie keronos do the same exact ameilus and ritza side by side with the yoshvei beis medrish in their offices and in the field but because they do it in order to “get to the weekend and vacations” they are yoshvei keronos and the other guy sitting next to him in the office does it in order to live a jewish life and to be able to get to the beis medrish. it all depends in the focus of the person’s life.
so the learner/earner is a yoishev beis medrish and the disney land /earner is a yoishev keronos.
Years ago I had a chavruta who learned in yeshiva in the mornings, worked in the afternoons, and went to law school at night. I guess he was a learner/earner/learner. (And he was married, on top of all that!)
Learner/Earners are the best!
OURtorah, I really appreciate the insight in your response! thank you!
no prob hodu!!
I like putting it this way. a learner/yearner/earner.
he learns all morning and works to provide for himself and family but is always yearning to be learning.
hodulashem:
“I really want a learning boy but I don’t have the financial means to support… so I want someone that’s a real ben torah, sticks to daily sedarim, and is connected to a rebbi, and also works for a parnassah…”
I think the label “learner/earner” has a connotation of somebody who tends to view college, degrees, etc. as a somewhat of an ends unto themselves. I think what you’re looking for is commonly referred to as a working ben Torah.
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