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Why is it that the stores and babysitters go up every week in Lakewood?
is it cuz bmg gav ean extra 50 dollars? let the yungeerman keep his extra 50 bucks dont take it!Bidenflation.
I do not live in Lakewood so I don’t know about all stores but I do occasionally visit. I have noticed that while I can often find some good deals on food in all the other major US east coast chariedi communities (Brooklyn, Monsey, 5 Towns etc.) it has been more rare to find good specials in Lakewood.
I assume babysitters is all based on a viscous cycle that as materialism goes up everyone needs to increase costs to keep up.
Lakewood shoppers are too savvy to spend more because of specials.
So I heard from people in the business.
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Prices in Boro Park (speaking generally, not about anything specific) seem to be significantly less than in Lakewood.
Boro Park has more supply withing close proximity to each other. Lakewood there may be a lot of stores, but much more spread out and car centric.
Supply:Demand
Lakewood is experiencing continuous, overwhelming growth while NY is loosing people.
BTW, if you think Lakewood is expensive for kosher meat and milk, try buying CY milk in Pittsburg, Cleveland or Detroit.
BMG kollel people make up 10% of the population of the greater Lakewood area [if even that much], I doubt that factors into anything, you have more high end restaurants per capita in the Lakewood area than in any other area. Do you have any proof of this theory that the prices went up recently or is it purely speculation?
Buying CY milk out of town makes no sense. You don’t have to buy spoiled milk.
Thoughtful response: your explanation does not hold water for commodities that are shipped from elsewhere. All meat and most groceries and sold in Lakewood are not produced in Lakewood. The only difference would be the shipping costs to Lakewood which even if it is higher is minimal. It is the overall supply and demand on an INDUSTRY that will have that effect on prices.
I think prices are much more effected by attitudes and mindsets. If more people in Lakewood just buy items without concern for prices and don’t change spending habits, store owners will raise prices to what they can get away with. If Lakewood has become the Ir HaTorah Vehagashmius prices rise accordingly.
Check this out in a few weeks from now when people start buying arba minim. Compare the cheapest set (or average set) in Lakewood vs. Brooklyn. All of these goods are being shipped from elsewhere. I think that you will notice the prices are much higher in Lakewood than Brooklyn, Monsey, 5T, Passaic etc. You may say it is because people in Lakewood are more machshiv mitzvos or because the resident don’t think about it and just pay higher prices no matter what. The sellers will then adjust prices accordingly for the same exact sechora.
I used to live in Lakewood and I think food prices have gone up due to inflation in general there’s more more supply and demand and not due to the new check increases. The prices were rising even before the Adirei Hatorah initiaitive.
Lakewhut, I don’t know if you’re serious or joking, but Thoughtful Response wasn’t saying to go out of town to buy milk, but just to compare prices.
No, out of town does not sell spoiled milk.Yeshivaguy CY milk out of town is often not fresh.
Lakewhut, I’m not sure which city you’ve been in (and it doesn’t matter as it’s lashon hara) but I’ve lived, traveled and have been in yeshiva in several out of town cities. Only one out of the cities that I’ve been in had an issue with that. They tried to make their own cholov yisroel plant because of that but they ran out of funding.
My point is that they don’t deliberately sell spoiled milk. It happens occasionally (and this even happens in cities that are in town) that milk or other dairy products were spoiled right from the start. Many stores (including Lakewood) have a 7 day return policy for perishables for this reason.OU-D milk lasts weeks
Dear Lakewhut,
The Jewish milk companies have a much later date on the bottle. They compete over who can push the dates further. Because most Jewish stores carry several different companies. So every bottle sold to the consumer is an advantage over the competitor. Whereas in the non-Jewish stores, they generally carry one brand of milk and maybe one generic label. So it matters if the store carries your brand or not. It matters how well it lasts. Not the dates on the bottle.
OU-D and Star-D milk, generally go at least a week past the date. But Cholev Yisroel will barely get there. But it is the same milk. The dates are different. And maybe sometimes your local store may have bad refrigeration and the like.
Dear Rocky,
You are comparing different things. Esrogim and the like have no intrinsic market value. The whole business is the logistics. So, the vendor charges as much as he can. Small businesses, are paying for an item and are being paid for the logistics. If they just sell for what they can get without losing any customers, they would not cover all their costs. They make their prices based on what they paid for it. And if the customers don’t want to pay for it, they lose the customers until they can’t find it for cheaper.
Basics like groceries, have nothing to do with Lakewood’s material standards. A lot of grocery prices are government regulated, so there can’t be a large markup.
In times of inflation, the lower classes get hit harder. Because nothing is forcing the higher classes to be a new car. The lower the class, the more likely their purchases are out of necessity.
How much do babysitters in Lakewood Ir HaKoidesh make?
“A lot of grocery prices are government regulated…”
noMesorah: Aside from federal and state marketing orders regulating “raw milk” prices, what other “grocery” price are regulated???
The cost of filling up a car in Lakewood went up by $50 a month, this is a great conspiracy between BMG an OPEC
This is my favorite line for people who support government control of education “because it is so important”. I contend that food is more important, therefore, we should have private school and public grocery stores. Of course, my dreams/nightmares are coming true as free schools expanded into free food. I wish I could afford that …
I thought that milk problems with CY are in part due to heimishe logistics: milk might lack proper refrigeration somewhere along the way, maybe between trucks, something bigger companies can do better.
The idea that some companies put a later date might explain the perception that it spoils before or at the date while others do not. I do not know whether it is true, but if it is, this carries a great lesson for everyone: in an attempt to mislead the buyer, a producer is destroying reputation of his brand
maybe babysitter crisis is co-mingled with the shidduch crisis? With such tremendous growth, B’H. Bli ayn hara, there are less of 12 yo babysitters than of 1 year babies, so babysitters charge more.
And, there are less of 20 yo morahs (mothers of those babies), so they can charge more for teaching 12 yos who babysit 1 yos, and thus can afford paying more to babysitters.
And there are less of 40 yo parents of 12 yo and they are all, B’H, learnt well not to use pieces of aaaron Kodesh to sweep the floor, so they can’t afford to pay the 20 yo morahs who teach 12 yos who babysit 1 yos, and that is where the crisis meets Reb Ponzi C. Gadya.
Cholent-Good one. Not that I know of
i have an idea, since the women need to work in lakewood, the men should make groups of 10-20 in a shul or room, all bring their babies to a corner or side room, and if the baby cries the father can give him a bottle and or hold him, you can even have a rotation that one of the men should check on the babies every hour or more often.
Ben, excellent idea. So, instead of one father learning near a crib, not hearing the baby cry (as in Alter Rebbe’s son’s story), you can have a baby room at a kollel, so everyone could learn b’chevrusa loudly without fear of waking up the babies, and one designated father could sit near 10 babies, not hearing them all cry simultaneously.
Dear Gadol,
WIC items for starters. You could lose your permit if you increase the price.
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