Kyle Rittenhouse

A 17 year old going out with a gun in the middle of a mass riot to try and be a hero isn’t something laudable; i agree that he was not trying to br a murderer and acted in self defense, but he’s a pretty bad role model and not someone we should praise. Not going to jail is fine, but he should get himself a good therapist

A 17 year old with an AR-15 style rifle kills a man who didn’t have a weapon and he should not have been prosecuted?

He needs to answer for every shot that he took – and he shot many many times.

Very well put Avira.

The only thing , I have to add is it reminds me of George Zimmerman, there’s a bit of a hole in the system. You have loser waanabe-cops who get involved in a confrontation, naturally they can’t actually fight, so when they are losing, they can fall back on their gun and (legitimately) claim self defense .

He is no hero.
Though I doubt he’s walking away rich he will be sued by the victims and will be swamped with legal fees for some time

Avira -“but he’s a pretty bad role model and not someone we should praise”

And I thought you were a conservative?!?
I guess not.
Why do you Believe the Lying MNM?!?
He’s a guy that Meant Well.
He went out to help innocent people defending their Property.
He helped people that were injured.

I have a question for you.
Where was all the Gov. Agencies to Stop all the Looting & Rioting?!?
They must have learned from Dinkins & DeBlasio -“Let the Woke Mob Vent”!

This thread is going to get boring pretty fast.

Rosenberg was a convicted felon of violent crimes who was just released from a mental hospital. He chased Kyle for quite a distance, threatening him verbally and physically, and he lunged for the gun in an attempt to grab it.

Just trying to imagine if he were not to exercise his ability to defend himself from the individuals that had intent and took action to kill him. What would have been the political response?

Rosenbaum, huber and that other guy would be prosecuted for manslaughter?

If not, why not?

If yes, why then was it not Ok for him to defend himself using an equal force to the threat?

obviously self defense has to be proven, but without the issue of right or wrong on this, I am not sure why anyone calls the victims “unarmed” as if they were safe and not capable of killing. If a guy is on his skateboard it may not be dangerous, but once he starts smashing someone on the head with it I don’t see how you can question the ability to kill.

Maybe it’s just cuz I live in chicago and it’s such a happening town, but I am fairly sure that people get beaten to death with skateboards, planks of wood, grabbed weapons and bare hands fairly often.

This case is a victory for all of us who don’t like our property and businesses destroyed by Bolshevik mobs.

You can’t count on the police to protect you, arm yourselves educate yourselves don’t let the msm convince you otherwise they don’t have your best interests at heart.

Rittenhouse was cleared of all charges by a jury of his peers, we should be thankful this country still holds by having a court of law. Anyone opposing the ruling of this case is either ignorant, or a facilitator to the Bolshevik mobs plain and simple.

The DA’s office didn’t put on a good case. They didn’t submit any evidence regarding the curfew. They had no response to the gun charge, once the defence claimed the law only prevented 17 year old from owning a short barrel gun, which the AR15 wasn’t. As far as the rest of the charges the defence was claiming selfdefence all the evidence showed he only shot after he was attacked and with the videos showing what happened it was hard for them to show it wasn’t selfdefence. They tried to say that the pointing of his gun was provocation but I don’t think the jury was buying it.

Syag, sorry for the smug comment.

These things are always broken along party lines, and you see many rehashed points. There are many topics which I don’t check out. Here, it’s not the topic but rather the way it is bound to devolve.

Jackk – I agree that its dumb to say there should have been no arrest, but just as dumb to say he got off like oj. I can’t wrap my head around how people have turned this into a political thing when it was so obviously in need of a trial and after the facts (FACTS) came out it was so obvious that the media lied. Is that why this became political, because the media voted guilty and the media is for Biden so if you are Democrat you have to be against Kyle? It’s really puzzling. This doesn’t even involve blacks so that can’t be the issue [head scratch]

Having watched all of both trials I have to tell you there ain’t even minor similarities let alone major. It is also glaringly obvious, tho correct me if im wrong, that you did not watch the Rittenhouse trial and are relying on either reports or politics. You’re too intelligent to make those comments any other way.

Not here to argue whether he should be guilty or not or whether the protests caused damage or not, but take this another way… Imagine Jewish people were protesting something and a kid with swastikas showed up with an AR15 or maybe some kids with Hama flags with AR15s. How difficult would it be to trigger a conflict and then say they were afraid for their lives.

So whether Rittenhouse is technically innocent or not, the idea that people here are supportive of a 17 year old kid with an AR15 at such a protest is pretty disturbing to me.

I must have missed that day in Yeshiva where it was explained that we have a responsibility as Torah Jews to carry weapons around with us all the time and even insert ourselves into dangerous situations where our weapons may come in handy.

I did not follow it closely, but it seems if the jury decision is reasonable, this is essentially a statement that those rioters were potential murderers en masse – that is, if KR acted in self-defense, he had a reasonable fear for his life three times. So, the other side is upset and the story might not be over and whatever happened today may the next part of it.

Syag,

The jury decided that Kyle was fearful for his life and acted in self-defense in killing 2 people and injuring a third.
Is it possible that Kyle went to a situation where he needs a rifle because he wanted to use it and he found the perfect opportunity? There is nothing that was shown at the trial to determine whether this is true or false.

The comparison to OJ is that money for a good lawyer gives a defendant the advantage in the US over salaried DA’s . Poor people in the justice system are forced into plea deals every day by their court appointed lawyers. You don’t agree to that?

I am (not) sorry that I do not have the time to watch the whole trial. But as I have said other times in the YWN, watching a trial does not help with knowing what the jury will decide. So it is a moot point. The jury sees a very different trial than everyone else and they are not experts and do not hear commentary on the trial.

It was made political because:
1) Kyle is a hero to the right because he was defending against the BLM riots that were going on in cities across America.
2) It was during a protest of the shooting of a black person by police. Jacob Blake was shot and seriously injured by police officer Rusten Sheskey in Kenosha, Wisconsin. Sheskey shot Blake in the back four times and the side three times.

When I don’t have time to watch a trial, I don’t pretend I did. You are making comments that are inaccurate that anyone who actually watched would know, as opposed to basing it on subjectivity and op eds. You have good questions, they just don’t apply to this case. Like those tweets that went out from some university or something lambasting the jury for allowing black deaths to go unpunished. Is her statement wrong? I don’t know, but it still has nothing to do with this trial.
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One last comment. You keep calling the riots protests. It brings to mind the CNN reporter commenting about the “mostly peaceful protests ” while over his shoulder you could see an entire row of buildings up in flames.

Oh Jackk, -“Is it possible that Kyle went to a situation where he needs a rifle because he wanted to use it and he found the perfect opportunity? ”

Who cares what his intentions were?
You want this Country to be like Nazi Germany or Commy Russia!
We have a country based on Laws – too Bad that there wasn’t Justice for the Cop in Milwaukee.
At least in this case, some people are rejecting making this Country a bastion of Far Leftism!!!

Oh Jackk, -“Don’t even have to shoot him in the arm. Go figure”

Since you Libs want to take away the Interpretation of 2nd amendment, you probably never learnt how to Shoot a Gun.
They only teach you to shoot on the Upper Body or the Head.
So to defend himself – did the right thing.

Health
First of all, does your capitalization of random words have a reasoning or do you just not have a basic grasp of the English language?
Second of all, you can say that Rittenhouse was innocent (he was) and not laud him as a hero.
Third, your constant comparison of things to Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union are laughable and seriously undercut any good arguments you might be able to make. Unironic exaggerations make you look uneducated.

Was justice served because the jury found him innocent or because the law is that the jury gets to decide guilt or innocence?

“Was justice served because the jury found him innocent or because the law is that the jury gets to decide guilt or innocence?”

I like this question. I think its hard to answer in general

In this case its easy because it is both. Other cases are harder take the OJ case, we all know OJ did it (he has since basically admitted it) Though even then we have a rule of law, and it is harmful if elected officials undermine it (though carefully expressing confusion/disappointment at a jurt’s verdict would be fine I think)

There is a third possibility though Wikipedia translates justice more broadly as “people receive that which they deserve” Of t his I’m not sure. I don’t think Kyle is complelty innocent, I think he went looking for trouble (I grant I can’t prove this its just the vibe I get, though worth noting even if I could prove it say he told a friend “I’m going to Kenosha to show them whose boss” or something like that it still likely wouldn’t, and probably shouldn’t affect the actual verdict.) However If he isnt completely innocent it is “unjust” (in this broad sense) that he walks away scot free

But using the two defitnions of “justice” you provided “justice served because the jury found him innocent ” or “the law is that the jury gets to decide guilt or innocence” in both cases justice was served

SYAG,

It is not so irrelevant. A goyish kup would say its “karma”.

But more seriously, the fact that the three people who were shot have violent pasts presents a strong likelihood that their threats and the way those threats were presented were more likely to have seemed like real immediate threats to the life of Mr. Rittenhouse.

There is a very big difference between someone who just yells “I am going to kill you” vs some yelling that who has actually attempted to kill people or actually caused people serious bodily harm. And that difference and the follow up actions would be perceived by the person being threatened even if they were unaware of the attacker’s violent/criminal past. We all have seen actions and said “stay away, that person is dangerous”.

Even the prosecutor presumably would agree with this, because he averred that just playing a video game is indicative of a person who would readily cause harm. Al achas camah vcamah for someone who has actually attached real human beings. (Rosenbaum’s mental issues even exacerbated this. Mental illness “may” be an excuse regarding being found guilty, but in no way will it make his threats less threating, quite the opposite)