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Here in Chicago we have a kosher Subway and I love it. I know there is one in Cleveland and Baltimore. Have you ever been there?
…to get there!
There used to be one on Ave J in Flatbush.
The most despicable thing I ever heard of. Why do we have to act like goyim, eat like goyim???
How is having a kosher Subway acting like, and eating like, goyim?
i agree brisk, i don’t understand why people eat. Such a goyish thing, at least when I give into the satan I only eat things from Lieber’s or Paskez.
But seriously, Can we all try and tone down the hyperbole? It really is the most despicable thing you ever heard of for someone to open a kosher restaurant which is part of a goyish chain?
The most despicable thing I ever heard of. Why do we have to act like goyim, eat like goyim???
Do you know something that I don’t about yummy sandwiches on long rolls?
The most despicable thing I ever heard of. Why do we have to act like goyim, eat like goyim???
Is this really the MOST dispicable thing you’ve EVER heard of? I highly doubt it.
And, in any event, do you ONLY by foods in the supermarket that non-Jews don’t buy? Do you never eat spaghetti, for example? And if you do, how is a spaghetti-and-sauce materially different than a Subway sandwich (vis-a-vis “eating like goyim?”)
The Wolf
There is another issue, besides “eating like goyim”(is Subsational also a problem?). Some people may assume that all Subways are kosher. It may sound far-fetched, but I’ve heard it’s happened. I’m told that R’ Blumenkrantz Zt”l was about to give a hechsher on a KFC but changed his mind for this reason.
@Real Brisker,
I would tone down the self righteous a little bit..seeing as how your subtitle from your user name is taken from a television ad for Lipton Brisk Ice Tea!
Maybe the owner and operator thought he would be more profitable under a brand name rather than just another place with a “cutesy” name that makes deli sandwiches.
Chains are successful because they have a certain quality standard that you find everywhere. Because of that, they will attract non jewish business which is vital to a resturants survival in the Chicagoland area.
Do not blame him for his subtitle. It was given to him during yesterdays special. I, Moderator-88 gave it to him. He did not choose it. Check the thread on subtitles to request a new subtitle (but I will choose it). Offer open to all and ends in 15 minutes
“Eighty-Eight”
real-brisker…seriously?? I wonder if you like Chocolate, because you know it was the Aztecs to first discover the properties of the cocoa tree….Last I checked the Aztecs and the native tribes of Latin America were goyim, thus making all chocolate a goyish food….For the record coffee was also discovered and made popular by Goyim….Thank G-d for gefiltah fish, I think we can claim that as 100% Jewish food….
WolfishMusings…your too logical for this place, don’t bother…
I think at Subway, you are paying to much for the “name”. Years ago when it first opened, I decided to try it and bought a Sub in Brooklyn.
I paid more than I would have at Subsantional, for 1/3 of the meat!
Haven’t been back since!
I do also have an issue with the “Kosher” Non Jewish chains, etc, but not the biggest deal, its the sad reality of our world now.
If the food is kosher, not sure why buying into one of the most successful franchises is a bad thing…
Do you have any idea how many bochurim eat Subway on mishmar night? The kosher Subway in my community clearly says “Glatt Kosher”, and the toda is prominently displayed. Love The Wolf’s comment!
There is one in Queens (KGH) on Jewel Ave. as well. With all the issues in the world today, kinda hard to believe it’s the MOST DESPICABLE THING @realicedtea’r
“The most despicable thing I ever heard of. Why do we have to act like goyim, eat like goyim???”
I dont find it despicable at all I find it lovely.
Same as Baco-Bits, Veggie burgers w cheese, Pesachdik bread and pasta, and Pomegranate.
If these items will make a SINGLE person switch over to becoming Kosher they will have served their purpose.
Besides, this is 2011 in America if you want to serve your family crust bread and chicken broth thats for you to decide, but dont throw your false “holier than thou” attitude on anyone else.
There are a million other things that Klal Yisroel as a whole can work on before worrying about turkey on club.
real-brisker,
I’ve told you a million times: don’t exaggerate!
The self-righteous behavior is going both ways on this one.
Seriously, you’re hanging him out to dry over some hyperbole?
Sacrilege, have you spoken to the owner that you know his intention was getting non-kosher families to start keeping kosher and not to just turn a dollar? Do you even honestly see subway as the thing standing between a reasonably average person and kosher eating?
Wolfish et al.:
Your retort was just a straw man. Nobody goes out of their way to specifically eat goyish spaghetti. That’s just what’s available. And even more likely- that’s just what is cheapest.
The point he was trying to make and which I agree with, is that how much tavya do we have to have to go so far as to davka make a restaurant with the same NAME as the goyim? Its one thing to eat a sub, its a tasty food, fine. But to make a restaurant with their name just so that we can say that we can also eat at subway? And I think we all know that this is what their shtik was that they were trying to cash in on.
The torah says not to cook milk and meat together, does one need to find a way out of this?
Derech – Well said
Your retort was just a straw man. Nobody goes out of their way to specifically eat goyish spaghetti. That’s just what’s available. And even more likely- that’s just what is cheapest.
No, it’s not a straw man. I ask again, why is a spaghetti-and-sauce dish any materially different than an Subway sandwich (vis-a-vis “eating like goyim”)? Or pizza? Or Chinese food? Or sushi? That question was not answered.
The Wolf
How is subway “finding a way out of this?” If it’s a kosher subway, they obviously don’t do this. If they have fake cheese. Great. That just shows that the reason you aren’t eating it is because the torah says so, not because you don’t like it.
and as for daas, I…I think that was his point. It’s called a joke.
Also – worth mentioning, or maybe even a different thread – is the “Koshering” of Goyish chains, any different than celebrating Thanksgiving?
I would bet that 95% of the frum Jews that LOVE their Kosher Goyish,chains would consider Thanksgiving “Chukas HaGoyim”.
That would be Hypocritical!
RB, your life B”H must be wonderful if the MOST despicable thing you have heard of is a kosher Subway. Really. If you think hard, I am sure you can find more despicable things to be concerned about than sandwiches.
Now I was going to argue that this is just going too far. First we have separate swimming hours, then we have separate buses from Monsey/Lakewood, and now the SUBWAYS are ALSO going to be separate, so they can be kosher? (yes, I AM kidding).
The torah says not to cook milk and meat together, does one need to find a way out of this?
You mean you thought that a kosher Subway had actual Basar V’chalav being sold???
The Wolf
Kosher Subway. I thought this was a thread about train cars with separate seating for men and women. Then I read the OP.
As long as it isn’t serving wolf 🙂
I would bet that 95% of the frum Jews that LOVE their Kosher Goyish,chains would consider Thanksgiving “Chukas HaGoyim”.
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To be factually accurate, Thanksgiving is actually a celebration of Chukas HaYehudim. The pilgrims took it directly from our Succos feasts. Governor Bradford even wanted Hebrew to be the language of the Colonies. He read and spoke it fluently.
Wolf your question was answered. Allow me to blockquote myself:
Nobody goes out of their way to specifically eat goyish spaghetti. That’s just what’s available. And even more likely- that’s just what is cheapest.
But to make a restaurant with their name just so that we can say that we can also eat at subway?
Just to let everyone know blockquote is the new black.
Geshmakman:
I don’t celebrate Thanksgiving (when I’m in America) and I know quite a number of American Jews that don’t either. Some probably don’t even know what it is.
Ooomis:
Welcome to hyperbole 101
Wolfish:
I think his point on the milk and meat thing was why do we always have to find loopholes to taste every pleasure in the world.
real-brisker,
Daas – Your post makes you sound like a hyprocryte.
As a couple of posters pointed out, it was a joke, the point of which was actually to defend you somewhat against the charge of overstating the issue as “The most despicable thing I ever heard of. “
So who can identify what Chicago, Cleveland, and Baltimore have in common that might make a kosher Subway more attractive there than it might be in Brooklyn?
“Sacrilege, have you spoken to the owner that you know his intention was getting non-kosher families to start keeping kosher and not to just turn a dollar? Do you even honestly see subway as the thing standing between a reasonably average person and kosher eating?”
You dont need to run circles around yourself. I didnt say anywhere that I think all these things should be used in Kiruv, BUT if they happen to make ONE person’s decision easier in becoming Kosher, they will have served their purpose.
So who can identify what Chicago, Cleveland, and Baltimore have in common that might make a kosher Subway more attractive there than it might be in Brooklyn?
Fewer kosher restaurants than Brooklyn?
“I think his point on the milk and meat thing was why do we always have to find loopholes to taste every pleasure in the world.”
If we are going to find a loophole for more pleasurable things, then I hope we find them for more exciting things then a roastbeef sub….
for one i am no longer going to be drinking tea as it is from the very goyish nation of China!!
There used to be two kosher subways in Brooklyn. They went out of business because they were both too close to more established kosher sandwich places. There still is a traif subway on Kings Highway in Brooklyn that has a sign up reading very clearly “This subway is not kosher”
Derech Hamelech – You beat me to it again!
2 answers to that one:
1) Chicago, Cleveland, and Baltimore all have intowners in common 🙂
2) a paucity of kosher restaurants that manage to stay open 🙂
@derechhamelech-
It isn’t taking the name Subway, it’s part of a franchise. They have the same food (except with this one it’s kosher). I guess I can understand if you thought that Subway was just taking it’s name to be like the goyim.
i agree here with real brisker and derech hamelech (although i can’t say its the MOST despicable, but i hear what they are saying)! why couldn’t the owner think up some other name rather than subway? it just doesn’t seem right that we need to name a place just like the goyim in order to attract attention and sound cute. i think its totally wrong. now, i don’t consider eating a fake cheeseburger as an aveira, altho i wouldn’t do it myself, i have nothing against anyone who does- you make the decisions in ur life, i make the decisions in mine, i would just feel like its a total deviation of the pasuk kedoshim t’hiyu- the point is we are NOT supposed to act like the goyim.
and, mikehall, come on! you know what he meant. there is nothing wrong with chocolate or coffee or whatever it was. the issue with cheeseburgers is that we are specifically told not to eat milk and meat together. to do so even with fake cheese just looks wrong IMHO.
real brisker and DhM- I’M ROOTIN’ FOR YA!
But to make a restaurant with their name just so that we can say that we can also eat at subway?
Now you’re assuming something on the part of the restauraunteur. Why are you assuming he did it only so that “we” can eat at Subways. Perhaps he was looking specifically for a franchise opportunity? Perhaps he was looking for a restaurant that would attract not only Jews but the general public as well?
And, again, I ask the question… why is this worse than Chinese food, or sushi or even pizza — all of which are non-Jewish in origin?
The Wolf
I think his point on the milk and meat thing was why do we always have to find loopholes to taste every pleasure in the world.
I don’t think so… he seemed to have a concern about actually cooking meat and milk together… not the side-issue of is faux-cheese proper to eat with meat (which we *all* agree is 100% permitted halachically — even if you have some hashkafic problems with it).
The Wolf
Apushatayid – I think you have something there. Maybe we should have separate train cars for men and women. After all, when the train jolts and moves, you can chas v’shalom bump into someone of the opposite gender! They have separate buses in Israel. In NY there’s a mechitza on the Monsey bus. 🙂
Oh – but I divert from the main topic here. Everyone else is discussing the Subway RESTAURANT. Actually I was at the one here in Chicago once or twice. I personally wasn’t excited by it. I also agree that it’s acting too much like the goyim. Why is it necessary to davka use the name Subway?
I have a kosher subway near me it is one of the few places that delivers so i get from there once in a while i like the sandwiches and the one by me makes thursday night cholent, i find the prices pretty decent my favorites are the meatball sub and the veggie patty sub.
yummy cupcake – At least there are a few people here with good haskofos!
Wolf – What did you think I mean with milk and meat?
Why is it necessary to davka use the name Subway?
To take advantage of franchising.
The Wolf
I had never been in the Ave. J Subway, but had food brought home to me. it was a kosher restaurant, I had no problem with that… just didn’t like the food.. not the coldcuts, not the meatballs.. only the tuna. it’s closed now, & I wouldn’t seek one out.. but I do miss the Subsational that was right off Ave. J 🙂
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