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and Martin Freeman–c’mon, how can you ignore such A+ casting? ^_^
OOM: Granted 🙂 – is it a waste of time to ask if you’ve also seen Sherlock? 🙂
jmh: Granted as well. I haven’t seen either one yet (I’m gonna try to convince my brother to watch the first one with me, though, over the summer) but if the new characters do add to the story then a lot of what I said is pretty much wrong.
I do wonder, though, if, had there already been a female character in the book, they would have added in more.
Besides, I wasn’t really thinking about the expansion aspect- how they’re really incorporating more of Tolkien’s ideas in.
jmh- i guess ur right. i do need more self control… im just sharing my experience and letting ppl know that if theyre not careful….
It’s really hard to not get caught up in reading books with inappropriate material, just cuz most of the current books have that. I don’t think it’s a g’nai (how do you spell that??) that you couldn’t have self control- it’s really hard! Everyone just has to know themself and where their limits are.
I’ve watched through “A Scandal in Belgravia.” Cumberbatch and Freeman are great, but I do not like the show. Kind of thinking more along the lines of “The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy.” 😉
Hitchhikers guide is full of apikorsus. What’s wrong with Harry Potter? I understand what’s Christian about chronicles of narnia and won’t let my (future) kids ever read them but I don’t see any Christian ideas in Harry Potter…
Ohhh, I loved him in Hitchhiker’s Guide also, though I hated the movie itself. When the trailer is light-years better than the movie, you know you’re in trouble. But he was Arthur Dent, that’s all there is to it.
But you should really give Sherlock another chance. Happens to be I’ve never seen that episode, but at least try it from the first one. It’s REALLY good.
Why don’t you like it?
harry potter is good, besides 4 the sixth book. the whole series is full of kabbalah- its really interesting.
ha. hahaha. That would take a while to go into, and most of it won’t pass this site’s censor. 😛 It’s basically the writing and character concepts that I don’t like.
Aw, can’t believe you didn’t like Hitchhiker’s movie. I loved it. Kinda reminded me of Galaxy Quest. ^_^
Pinkdynamite – Do you know anything about Kaballah at all? I don’t, I’m sure you don’t, and Joanne Rowling definitely doesn’t.
a) Where is “Kabballah” in Harry Potter?
b) If there is any Kabballah in Harry Potter at all, it is in number six (Horcruxes, etc), which is the one you don’t like.
c) What don’t you like about number six? I think the plot (coupled with number 7; on it’s own it is not so great) is unbelievable!
OOM: Like I’ve said, I never saw that one, but based on my knowledge of its plot, the elements that wouldn’t pass the censor here are pretty much not in the other episodes.
To the best of my knowledge, the others are much better. (I’ve seen the first three and the last one. You can really watch them in any order, though I’d say leave the last one for the end.)
As far as Hitchhiker’s Guide went, I thought that the plot was a bit disjointed (like, what was the point of that guy with the metal spider leg thingies?) and I wasn’t overly fond of the peple who played Trillian and Zaphod. And the ending was kind of a cop-out.
There were definitely parts of it that I absolutely loved. And like I said, the trailer was hysterical.
I love Harry Potter 6!!! The only one better than that is #5 (I’ve probably read it a dozen times by now).
The reason my complaints would not pass the censor are only partly due to that episode. My other complaints had more to do with character arcs than specific plot points.
Oh, okay, maybe. I can definitely see what you’re saying.
I’m not saying this is your tayna per se, but I don’t really care how much it’s Sherlock Holmes. I just like it in general. We just have different tastes, which I hope is okay :).
Where’s My Cow? is pretty good
I thought we were talking about books. And now I have come to realize that this is a thread about movies. And tv. Maybe the thread should be renamed.
when pink dynamite said that #6 wasn’t good, i dont think he meant the plot and all that wasn’t good, it’s just not good in a kosher sense.
but yah, besides that, harry potter’s great- every single one of them!
ayayashreichem: Fair point… got sidetracked. With OOM’s agreement, I think this thread should be diverted back on course. (We weren’t talking about anything that important, anyway :). )
As far as Harry Potter is concerned, I think that anyone could read 1-3. 4-7 you can use your discretion for.
Though it’s funny, I was at a Pesach hotel and a couple of kids were talking to a caretaker there. They were mentioning how their parents said that if they behaved for some thing, they would be able to watch the first movie. The guy immediately began to tell them all about how Harry Potter is full of witchcraft and dark magic and how he doesn’t let his kids read it. The kids were all “wow! Dark magic?!?! Cool!” Then the guy started laughing and said, “Wow, and all this time I’m stricter than the Orthodox Jews about something!”
Okay, so it didn’t REALLY make sense, but he thought it was hysterical, especially after working at a hotel full of people in weird clothes who go completely anal about the weirdest things… to think he’s stricter than them. The whole scene was quite funny.
All you idiots are so wrong about the Jewish way Jewish doesn’t meen yeshivish
Rav Aharon Lichtenstein is considered an expert on John Milton, and Paradise Lost is an incredible influence on his hashkafa (not to mention a profound inspiration on Lord of the Flies and on western civilization, in general). CS Lewis has even impacted his hashkafa. Machon Herzog, associated with Gush, has even pioneered literary study of Tanakh.
Many fine works of literature offer tremendous insight into human nature and psychology, and hence, I am methodologically making my way through many of the great books of the Western Canon.
Speaking of psychology and human nature, try Agatha Christie’s works, especially the Poirot novels. To quote one of his stories;
Poirot shook his head violently.
“That is the psychology,” said M. Bouc.
“And one must respect the psychology. This crime has a signature and it is certainly not the signature of Colonel Arbuthnot.”
Murder on the Orient ExpressPretty much all of her books are unmatched genius.
It would be nice to have a frum men’s literature group in the NYC area. Anyone interested?
The chronicles of Narnia were written as Christian books. The Harry Potter series was written just as books.
I think the whole “Kings Cross” chapter in the end of Book 7 is perhaps kabbalistically explained (although I have absolutely no mekor for this except for what a friend told me, so don’t quote me!) – Apparently [so my friend says:], Oilom Habo is made by what you comprehend of it in your own unique way. There is no standard Oilom Habo, rather it is made up of the way your conciousness can identify with the things that are Up There, based on the way you lived your life.
That is why everything began with his thoughts, etc. etc. According to that, he was simply in Oilom HaEmes and therefore getting all the answers, and Dumbledore wasn’t there at all, rather Dumbledore was Harry’s medium of recieving a sudden download of revealing information.
Catcher in the Levy’s Jewish Rye.
I only read coloring books.
try shakespeare
Charles Dickens is a literary genius. Try David Copperfield and Bleak House. They’re really, really long books, so you won’t need any of these other suggestions for a while.
If you’re not so into the 19th century stuff, then write your own book, cus nothing is as good as Dickens.
Rebyidd – the themes in the Narnia books are quite subtle if you’re not looking for them or willing to ignore them. Perhaps CS Lewis did mean for Aslan to be a certain someone – or perhaps he was just writing a character that seems to have been ‘adopted’ by those who are eager to correlate the two. I don’t think it’s kefira to read them. To me it’s just a good fantasy story. The thing about literature is you can put a spin on just about any book if you really look hard enough.
It’s quite clear that it’s Christian. However, you may read them if you so choose. (It doesn’t make sense.)
Bleak House
Do you think akup and uber will agree too? Maybe move to other thread. Only expletives would recommend that book.
Someone in the yated reader’s write a few months ago said that she had a list of “kosher” titles for all age ranges. Does anyone remember that. I wish I could get that list.
There is a list on chinuch.org that has a list of kosher titles for kids, complete with the reasons why books would be yes or no.
also, whoever it was that said Jodi Picoult- she is an excellent writer, but I wouldn’t call her books “Kosher”, she sticks at least one unnecessary romance in each book and then proceeds to make a few graphic scenes out of it. The only way these books are Kosher is if you have them censored.
Bleak House definitely! Dickens is very underrated. I think people get put off by the length of his novels. Out of the ones I’ve read, BH is my favourite.
Rebyidd, not trying to argue here but only CS Lewis knows what his intentions were when writing Narnia. People can look into a book and read what they want into it, and since I don’t think Narnia is obliquely Christian-themed I wouldn’t be worried about my kids learning kefira from them. I certainly didn’t.
I read them. They’re fun. It just happens to be that he very clearly intended it as a Christian series.
Why don’t you go and ask CS Lewis yourself? Like I said, it may have a lot of parallels but only he knows if it was intended.
Compare to Philip Pullman. Now that was definitely intended.
notasheep- he says it in the last book
I never really read the Last Battle properly – will have to look
It’s also clear from his other works.
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