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which is correct??????
They all are – and, in fact, all three would be heard in my home.
Walter & I — Kosel
George — Koysel
Wilma & Eeees — Kotel
The Wolf
Koysel. Unless your Sephardi, then Kotel. Unless your Teimani, then Kothel.
Yes.
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They are ALL spelled with a “chaf” not a “kuf”-Mod.
the one above listens in all languages. however you say it is fine.
Oh really? Since when are MODs so serious? I’m about to ploop, are they just starting out?
depends who you’re talking to – it’s like got shabbos vs. shabbat shalom
KOYTEL is wrong – all of the others are fine.
As far as I know, no one says Koytel. Unless, perhaps, he became a Sphardi in middle of the word.
There’s an old story about a yeshivish American who gets into a cab in Yerushalayim and tells the driver “Ani roytzeh laleches l’koysel.” The driver says to him “B’ayzeh safa ata m’dabair?”
amichai: thats true, the one above listens to all “languages”. Not mispronunciations of so called “languages”. Is Yeshivish a language, how about Yinglish?
The most inane question I have heard in a long time…
haha… memories..
I remember when I came back from Israel & met my (future) in-laws for the first time: they asked if I had gone to the ‘Koysil” & I didn’t know what they were talking about!
I still say ‘Kotel’; my husband says ‘Koysel’.
BS”D
???? means “killer” You see it on cans of insecticide and disinfectant in Eretz Yisroel. That would be pronounced KOYTEL in old Ashkenazi loshon hakoidesh (if the word is authentic and not a Zionist coinage – I would think it is indeed authentic) but if you asked someone which bus goes to the koytel, you would not be understood.
I don’t think you would use the word ???? at all in daily speech.
What I personally find EXTREMELY funny is (because of the difference in pronunciation of that letter) when people either…
– want to show how “Israeli” or “Zionist” they are, and therefore speak ‘SefardiT’, – will take a word that has a ‘samech’ or a ‘sin’ in it, and (because they can’t spell) pronounce THAT letter with a T sound! (i.e. turn ALL S’s to T’s)
OR CONVERSELY…
-Those who want to show they are strictly Ashkenazi (and/or anti-Zionist) will do the opposite, and (because THEY can’t spell) pronounce words with the letter ‘tet/tes’ with an ‘S’ sound!
As the story goes, an American guy asks an Israeli, Ma Shaa? To which the Israeli tells him, Ein Li Mussag. He goes on, until he meets another Israeli, who asks him, Ma Shaa? Having learned a new word, he replies, Hamussag Sheli Shavur.
HaLeivi…
LOLOL!!! Good one!
600kilobear: It’s Aramaic. ???? ???? *????* ???
Koisel
It’s kotel l’hotzi dofi m’liban shel tzedukim. You use a dialect other than the one used by the one you’re talking to. If you’re talking to a Zionist, then Koysil. If you’re talking to a litvak, kotel. If you’re talking to a chosid, keys’l. If you’re talking to a NK … well why would you want to talk to an MK anyway?
“well why would you want to talk to an MK anyway?”
I agree with you. Rav Elyashev shlit”a said a shomrei Torah U’mitzvos should not enter the Knesset as it is a botei minus.
Thanks for pointing out the typo.
Kotel.
AinOd-Hahaha we had teachers that would say “patul” instead of “pasul” ect. to try to sound sephardic. At least they tried
“They all are – and, in fact, all three would be heard in my home.
Walter & I — Kosel
George — Koysel
Wilma & Eeees — Kotel”
Whatever happend to the minhag of following the mans customs in the house? Why do yur wife and kids use a different pronounciation?
chayav: an NK mispelled. Also, a member of the knesset.
mosherose: what happened to minding your own business?
Reporting from the Holy Land
Regard to all
Been to the KOSEL, KOTEL, KOYTEL
???? for short
Me again.
Just wanted to let everyone know, I had everyone here in mind. I do not know anyone’s issues, problems or trials but HaShem does. He knows who you are, where you are, and what is best for you. I put in a good word for all of you (us – we’re all in this together), whether you like it or not.
From the land that flows with milk and honey,
ZeesKite
For those still instested in the ‘offering a seat to..’ issue. So I got on the bus holding my cuddly package ??”?, and EVERYONE, older people too, offered me their seat. ?? ???? ?????.
What cuddly package?
Hi. Back on again. Went to cry by Mommy today. Right – Mama Rochel. It was awesome, tears just come. Nothing like it. Again, had all Yidden in mind, esp. CR buddies!
canine: cuddly package = baby girl (cute version B”H)
thank you, Zeeskite! that’s so thoughtful of you to have had us & Klal Yisroel in mind @ the Kotel & Mama Ruchel’s 🙂
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