King Charles and Queen Camilla

> Why is the wife of a King called Queen, but the husband of a Queen is a prince?

there are 2 different systems: just one person being a king or queen (including British) or the one where both have Royal powers (as in fairtales)

By the way, Camilla now being the Queen of England and all her Commonwealths is sweet payback for the adulteress Diana. (Even though Camilla herself is guilty of the same.)

“Divorce and separation,” Queen Elizabeth said, “are responsible for some of the darkest evils in our society today.”

And to answer the inevitable questions regarding her children’s divorces, the Queen’s self-proclaimed description of them was “annus horribilis”.

Ujm, my reply to that would be that it’s some of the darkest evils of our society that are responsible for divorces.

Goldi, it’s a shame that a non-jewish queen’s hashkofos are closer to yiddishkeit than a frum person.

Most marriages end because of normal human failures and frailties, especially money. For every divorce that involved abuse (from either spouse) there are hundreds, even thousands, that don’t.

The percentage of people known to commit domestic abuse contrasted with the divorce rate can serve as ample proof of this. More than half of all marriages end in divorce in America, and fewer than 5% of the population are guilty of domestic violence(as per wikipedia) – that’s a pretty strong indication that despite sensationalist reporting of abused people, it’s not a very common cause of divorce.

Charles contributed to Diana’s bulimia, swaying towards adultery and causing her death.

I don’t know why my comment about refinement in british culture is being so maligned – from what I’ve seen of their culture, speech, societal norms… It might be skin deep, as it was in Germany, but every time i hear en English person speak, i hear an aidilkeit. Are there low class people there? Of course – there’s a name for them, I don’t remember right now.

Anyways i forgot to mention that divorce causes single parenthood, one of the key indicators for crime, imprisonment, suicide, drug use, and many other maladies.

There has not been any dignity in the Oval Office since 1992 and that includes office holders of parties.

Reb Eliezer, Diana was much worse.

He threw the mother of his children aside as trash.

Reb Eliezer: the mother threw herself under the bus. And she got herself run over.

Goldilocks: Absolutely.

ujm, you could find out by a simple “how do you do” when you see her, but you have to ask thru a 3rd person given your stance on talking to women.

no, that was Kamala who was here

me too: YAWN

The Queen is simply referred to as “Queen Camilla”. Although her full legal title is Camilla, Queen consort of the United Kingdom, she’s formally referred to as Queen Camilla, much as Elizabeth II’s mother, Queen Elizabeth The Queen Mother, was simply known as Queen Elizabeth when her husband King George was alive.

That would take him out of the line to be king then…

> That would take him out of the line to be king then…

THAT behavior would probably invalidate lots of kings along the line … Maybe a good reason for a sofek and saying brocha bli shem when meeting a Monarch?

According to the wikipedia on James Hewitt:

Hewitt stated to the press in 2002 that Harry had already been born by the time of the affair, a statement also made by Diana’s police bodyguard.[23] He reiterated this in an interview in 2017.

Avira, this king is a figure head without any power of life and death, so that halacha does not apply.

I don’t know, if the Prime Minister and Parliament do not concur to the king’s declaring war, is valid.

Saudia Arabia is an absolutely monarchy today. So are Dubai, Oman, Brunei, Abu Dhabi and the Vatican.

MBS is the heir apparent Crown Prince. His father is the absolute monarch.

@ujm

Yes, but King Salman is aging and MBS is considered the de facto ruler.

Truly enjoying this thread and still waiting for ujm to tell us why he is so knowledgeable in these matters

But I need to take issue with Jackk
our rejection of the monarchy is American propaganda written by the victors.
The truth, we were paying a pittance in taxes that went to a standing army that protected us
the reality is that our forefathers wanted to protect the slave trade.
The brits had already outlawed the trade and even after independence enforced it by boarding american ships
There is a confirmed story of a british warship boarding an american vessel suspected of slavery. The captain tied his slaves to the anchor and when it became apparent that the slave ship would be boarded, he dropped anchor which removed all the slaves (drowning hundreds ) from his ship. The brits couldn’t arrest the captain because the slaves where no longer on the ship.
These are the “men” we look up to as the founding fathers.
Their names grace building like Browns university (family money made in the slave trade)
Say what you want about the monarchy but it is only in the last 50 years that America has earned the right to call itself a relatively moral country

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Can we at least agree that from a hashkafic point of view the founding fathers were “mored bmalchus “ and started a war that got thousands killed all for political reasons?
After all, it isn’t as if the colonists were being abused.
So wasn’t it amoral ? Aren’t they responsible for the bloodshed?
And there are plenty of eyewitnesses to the horrors perpetrated on slaves.
Mark Twain wrote of seeing a live slave hanging from a meat hook inserted between his ribs.
The average slave ship accepted “losses” of 1/3rd of their cargo each trip as the cost of doing business.
This is what was considered normal back then.