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December 15, 2013 4:32 am at 4:32 am #611556popa_bar_abbaParticipant
This is a very serious problem.
I send my son to a very fine out of town yeshiva, which teaches the proper appropriate hashkafos. But tonight I got some astounding and very dismaying news.
It seems the boys are set up with families to eat on shabbos. And my son was sent to eat at the home of a young family, where the husband learned in yeshiva for many years and is now a baal habos!!!
This is astounding to me! What kind of lesson does this teach the bachurim? That a person can learn and be erlich–and work? In a regular job doing all sorts of narishkeit like investments and business? How could they show this to my son?
To my ehriliche temimusdike son!!
December 15, 2013 4:36 am at 4:36 am #1001204π«Syag LchochmaParticipantI thought you were gonna say that you found out he had helped his wife set the table
December 15, 2013 4:44 am at 4:44 am #1001205β DaasYochid βParticipantThat’s why you should never send your son out of town.
December 15, 2013 3:41 pm at 3:41 pm #1001206popa_bar_abbaParticipantThe menahel agreed with me. He said from now on my son will be able to eat in yeshiva by himself.
December 15, 2013 3:58 pm at 3:58 pm #1001207πRebYidd23ParticipantIt’s like saying that a frum guy’s allowed to breathe!
December 15, 2013 8:37 pm at 8:37 pm #1001208funnyboneParticipantA young family, where the husband learned for many years?????
December 15, 2013 8:56 pm at 8:56 pm #1001209day by dayMemberThe bigger question is …what seminary did his wife go to?
December 15, 2013 9:55 pm at 9:55 pm #1001210popa_bar_abbaParticipantFunnybone: when you’re my age, they are still considered young. (And you’re considered a toddler)
December 16, 2013 6:13 pm at 6:13 pm #1001211apushatayidParticipanta yeshiva bachur taking out time from the beis medrash to eat, what kind of gashmius is he into?
December 16, 2013 6:27 pm at 6:27 pm #1001212Torah613TorahParticipantAt least he didn’t introduce your son to drinking!
December 16, 2013 8:00 pm at 8:00 pm #1001213The little I knowParticipantI’m straining to avoid spraining my tongue which is stuck deep in my cheek.
Actually, this bochur is being taught quite a valuable lesson. This “baal haboss” now has to use his income to feed others. If had stayed in yeshiva, he would be the one sponging off others, or having his parents/in-laws paying his expenses.
There is a widely known and oft used quite offensive line by yeshivos who send their talmidim (of all ages) to collect tzedokoh for them, “We’re being mechanech these children on the mitzvah of tzedokoh.” The cognitive flaw is that true chinuch should be to GIVE, not to TAKE.
To relate to the scenario posed in the OP, the bochur is being trained to take, and exposed to the poor fortune of the bloke that left the walls of the beis hamedrash who now has to give. Now take that to its logical conclusion.
December 16, 2013 8:02 pm at 8:02 pm #1001214BaalHaboozeParticipantI totally don’t get this thread…
December 16, 2013 8:07 pm at 8:07 pm #1001215gavra_at_workParticipantI totally don’t get this thread…
popa_bar_abba
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December 16, 2013 8:08 pm at 8:08 pm #1001216β DaasYochid βParticipantHow many tongues can fit in one cheek?
December 16, 2013 8:38 pm at 8:38 pm #1001217β DaasYochid βParticipantI totally don’t get this thread…
popa_bar_abba
Incorrigible; semi-retarded; eccentric; perhaps a man; somewhere between mean and average; sometimes only a bit over the top; arbitrarily engaged in cynicism.
December 16, 2013 9:13 pm at 9:13 pm #1001218popa_bar_abbaParticipantSome of you seem to have a very “entitled” attitude. Who says you are entitled to get this thread?
You shouldn’t be surprised if people respond to you accordingly.
December 16, 2013 11:50 pm at 11:50 pm #1001219charliehallParticipant“That a person can learn and be erlich–and work?”
Rambam wrote that you can learn and be erlich ONLY if you work.
December 17, 2013 1:37 am at 1:37 am #1001220popa_bar_abbaParticipantRambam wrote that you can learn and be erlich ONLY if you work.
Oddly, I’ve never heard this Rambam applied to someone who worked but didn’t learn.
December 17, 2013 1:39 am at 1:39 am #1001221commonsenseParticipantCharlie, I believe this thread is meant to taken with a whole container of salt, never mind a grain.
December 17, 2013 1:48 am at 1:48 am #1001222β DaasYochid βParticipantRambam wrote that you can learn and be erlich ONLY if you work.
Oddly, for years, the Ramba”m only learned and didn’t work.
December 17, 2013 1:50 am at 1:50 am #1001223β DaasYochid βParticipantCommonsense, you think so?
December 17, 2013 1:59 am at 1:59 am #1001224popa_bar_abbaParticipantNisht nisht. This thread IS the salt for all my other threads.
December 17, 2013 6:20 am at 6:20 am #1001225β DaasYochid βParticipantAt least he didn’t introduce your son to drinking!
No, he learned that at home.
December 17, 2013 6:22 am at 6:22 am #1001226β DaasYochid βParticipantThis thread IS the salt for all my other threads.
Your other threads were salty enough without this one.
December 17, 2013 7:13 pm at 7:13 pm #1001227Torah613TorahParticipantI’d rather kids get bad influences in yeshiva then from the street.
December 18, 2013 3:56 am at 3:56 am #1001228β DaasYochid βParticipantTorah613, I don’t know exactly what you mean by that, or whether you mean that tongue in cheek.
December 18, 2013 4:21 am at 4:21 am #1001229frumnotyeshivishParticipant1. Obviously this Yeshiva is not “very fine.”
2. The full tuition that all the other parents pay doesn’t provide enough to pay for shabbos meals?
3. Forget the working guy aspect, what about the kashrus? Is it yayin nesech?
4. How can the Yeshiva be so negligent so as not to provide the oversight that I as a parent always provide? My children at home are never exposed to anything I don’t monitor. Especially the teenagers.
5. My erliche tmimusdike son came home smelling like smoke the other week. Are the bal habatim there during the week too and exposing him to smoking? Is it shayich? Maybe I should be choshesh that the bal habos started him smoking on shabbos! Oy my kid’s at risk now! I need to call Dr. Twersky and Rabbi Bender ASAP.
December 18, 2013 4:55 am at 4:55 am #1001230oomisParticipant“Oddly, for years, the Ramba”m only learned and didn’t work.”
Until the day his mother was finally able to talk proudly about “My son, the Doctor!” π
And he STILL managed to make time to learn, and even write Seforim! What a concept!
December 18, 2013 5:18 am at 5:18 am #1001231WIYMemberPopa
I agree I think if it’s that type of Yeshiva then the boys should eat by Rabbonim and Kollel yungerleit who can afford it..
December 18, 2013 1:51 pm at 1:51 pm #1001232Torah613TorahParticipantTorah613, I don’t know exactly what you mean by that, or whether you mean that tongue in cheek.
Any negative influences within Yeshiva, are just not going to be as bad as the influences outside.
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December 18, 2013 3:25 pm at 3:25 pm #1001233β DaasYochid βParticipantT613, that’s generally true, but OTOH the negative influences from within (as relatively minor as they may be) are probably more likely to be absorbed.
I’m not sure if I addressed your original (pre-edited) comment properly.
December 19, 2013 1:57 am at 1:57 am #1001234Torah613TorahParticipantThat’s true, DY. I intended to write the edited the first time.
December 19, 2013 5:36 am at 5:36 am #1001235β DaasYochid βParticipantWhat was edited out (in general terms, so that it doesn’t get edited again)?
February 2, 2014 12:22 am at 12:22 am #1001236popa_bar_abbaParticipantYou see I was right. They ate there again and he brought up Ushpizin, which last I checked is a movie!
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February 2, 2014 1:05 am at 1:05 am #1001237β DaasYochid βParticipantUshpizin, which last I checked is a movie!
You’re not up to date. It’s since become a visit from our Avos to the succah.
February 2, 2014 3:22 am at 3:22 am #1001238HealthParticipantHey PBA,
The last time we spoke in the CR you were a Bachur and now you have a teen, what gives?
February 2, 2014 3:35 am at 3:35 am #1001239popa_bar_abbaParticipantHealth, glad to have you back. My how time has flown by
February 2, 2014 3:42 am at 3:42 am #1001240yaakov doeParticipantPopa – That kid really grew up quickly!
February 2, 2014 5:48 am at 5:48 am #1001242oyyoyyoyParticipant#whykidsgooff
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