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This is a very serious problem.
I send my son to a very fine out of town yeshiva, which teaches the proper appropriate hashkafos. But tonight I got some astounding and very dismaying news.
It seems the boys are set up with families to eat on shabbos. And my son was sent to eat at the home of a young family, where the husband learned in yeshiva for many years and is now a baal habos!!!
This is astounding to me! What kind of lesson does this teach the bachurim? That a person can learn and be erlich–and work? In a regular job doing all sorts of narishkeit like investments and business? How could they show this to my son?
To my ehriliche temimusdike son!!
I thought you were gonna say that you found out he had helped his wife set the table
That’s why you should never send your son out of town.
It’s like saying that a frum guy’s allowed to breathe!
A young family, where the husband learned for many years?????
The bigger question is …what seminary did his wife go to?
a yeshiva bachur taking out time from the beis medrash to eat, what kind of gashmius is he into?
At least he didn’t introduce your son to drinking!
I’m straining to avoid spraining my tongue which is stuck deep in my cheek.
Actually, this bochur is being taught quite a valuable lesson. This “baal haboss” now has to use his income to feed others. If had stayed in yeshiva, he would be the one sponging off others, or having his parents/in-laws paying his expenses.
There is a widely known and oft used quite offensive line by yeshivos who send their talmidim (of all ages) to collect tzedokoh for them, “We’re being mechanech these children on the mitzvah of tzedokoh.” The cognitive flaw is that true chinuch should be to GIVE, not to TAKE.
To relate to the scenario posed in the OP, the bochur is being trained to take, and exposed to the poor fortune of the bloke that left the walls of the beis hamedrash who now has to give. Now take that to its logical conclusion.
I totally don’t get this thread…
I totally don’t get this thread…
popa_bar_abba
Incorrigible; semi-retarded; eccentric; perhaps a man; somewhere between mean and average; sometimes only a bit over the top; arbitrarily engaged in cynicism.
How many tongues can fit in one cheek?
I totally don’t get this thread…
popa_bar_abba
Incorrigible; semi-retarded; eccentric; perhaps a man; somewhere between mean and average; sometimes only a bit over the top; arbitrarily engaged in cynicism.
“That a person can learn and be erlich–and work?”
Rambam wrote that you can learn and be erlich ONLY if you work.
Charlie, I believe this thread is meant to taken with a whole container of salt, never mind a grain.
Rambam wrote that you can learn and be erlich ONLY if you work.
Oddly, for years, the Ramba”m only learned and didn’t work.
Commonsense, you think so?
At least he didn’t introduce your son to drinking!
No, he learned that at home.
This thread IS the salt for all my other threads.
Your other threads were salty enough without this one.
I’d rather kids get bad influences in yeshiva then from the street.
Torah613, I don’t know exactly what you mean by that, or whether you mean that tongue in cheek.
1. Obviously this Yeshiva is not “very fine.”
2. The full tuition that all the other parents pay doesn’t provide enough to pay for shabbos meals?
3. Forget the working guy aspect, what about the kashrus? Is it yayin nesech?
4. How can the Yeshiva be so negligent so as not to provide the oversight that I as a parent always provide? My children at home are never exposed to anything I don’t monitor. Especially the teenagers.
5. My erliche tmimusdike son came home smelling like smoke the other week. Are the bal habatim there during the week too and exposing him to smoking? Is it shayich? Maybe I should be choshesh that the bal habos started him smoking on shabbos! Oy my kid’s at risk now! I need to call Dr. Twersky and Rabbi Bender ASAP.
“Oddly, for years, the Ramba”m only learned and didn’t work.”
Until the day his mother was finally able to talk proudly about “My son, the Doctor!” 🙂
And he STILL managed to make time to learn, and even write Seforim! What a concept!
Popa
I agree I think if it’s that type of Yeshiva then the boys should eat by Rabbonim and Kollel yungerleit who can afford it..
Torah613, I don’t know exactly what you mean by that, or whether you mean that tongue in cheek.
Any negative influences within Yeshiva, are just not going to be as bad as the influences outside.
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T613, that’s generally true, but OTOH the negative influences from within (as relatively minor as they may be) are probably more likely to be absorbed.
I’m not sure if I addressed your original (pre-edited) comment properly.
That’s true, DY. I intended to write the edited the first time.
What was edited out (in general terms, so that it doesn’t get edited again)?
Ushpizin, which last I checked is a movie!
You’re not up to date. It’s since become a visit from our Avos to the succah.
Hey PBA,
The last time we spoke in the CR you were a Bachur and now you have a teen, what gives?
Popa – That kid really grew up quickly!
#whykidsgooff
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