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I really can’t understand these celebrities/athletes!
If you don’t like America enough to stand for the national anthem then just leave!
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Exactly. Just like the Founding Fathers left the British colonies when they didn’t like the government!
Just like the royalist supporters left America for Canada.
What if you’re in a wheelchair and cannot stand up?
After coffee addict kicks those traitors in the knees, they’ll all be in wheelchairs. Then we can involuntarily wheel them into Mexico.
And you wonder why liberals don’t like you.
I’m so with you on this, I was just fuming about it last night. When i first heard about this whole kneeling garbage i said if you want to be unpatriotic, that’s your right, BUT NOT WHEN YOU MAKE MILLIONS REPRESENTING AMERICA ! So now trump says badically the same thing and everyone’s going crazy supporting them!! Nobody is willing to accept the truth of something if Trump says it.
Fire them!!
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Just as the players have the legal right to punch America in its guts by disrespecting the anthem, the President has the right to protest against the players, severely criticize them and call for a boycott against the NFL.
Coffee addict, why does disliking the president mean leaving the country?
Also, why does disliking the president mean you’re a liberal? He’s one of the least moral presidents ever. I don’t understand how social conservatives can support a serial adulterer who has a long history of stiffing those who have worked for him.
He was the best of the (realistic winning) available choices on election day. And he’s done some good things. Regarding your point, former Pres. Clinton was no better.
Freedom of Speech applies even to rich athletes (and team owners). They have the right to express opposition to the government. And fans have the right to not go to their games or to refrain from watch broadcasts of their games. If someone can’t live with all this freedom of expression, perhaps they should move to Cuba or North Korea, where no such nonsense is allowed and athletes who opposed the regime see their careers terminated (with “extreme prejudice”).
I cant tell if Akuperma was taken over by a bundist Dybbuk or not
Akuperma. The players’ protest is not protected by 1st Amendment rights since they are on paid time. If their employer tells them to stand they must stand or he can fire them. Likewise, (unless it is buried somewhere in NFL contracts) the league can disqualify a team if they break rules. Apparently standing up for the anthem is not currently a rule, but the league has the right to include it as a rule. Make no mistake about it, the NFL is BIG BUSINESS, and these are business decisions, which is why liberal city teams (Seattle, New England, San Francisco, etc) support the players’ protests, while owners from less liberal cities (such as Jerry Jones on the Cowboys) are against it. They want to keep the financial support of their home towns.
Also, this is not Trump’s fault. Kaepernick was kneeling while BHO was still in office.
NFL Players (and All sports players for that matter) are not paid employees, they are independent contractors. Its not Paid time
Actually they are contractual employees, not independent contractors. But this is irrelevant because even if they were independent contractors the team has a right to provision their contract that they are required to stand for the anthem or the team will have the right to immediately terminate their contract if they fail to do so.
However most people cannot play Quarterback in the NFL, so these jobs are not easily replaceable. Thats why the players have some say
I’m a liberal, I cannot stand our current president, I agree with Kaepernick’s original reason for kneeling – to protest trigger-happy behavior with black Americans by some police officers – and I ain’t leaving America (except for my sister’s wedding in Israel, but then I will come back).
One of the great things about America is that you can demonstrate your concern for public issues any time, anywhere in public. If the bosses of the NFL players want them to stand during the National Anthem, they could do so, but they have chosen not to. If you don’t like that, watch a golf tournament, but there is much less risk of brain injury to the players, and nobody runs very fast or ever, ever catches a ball.
People who don’t like America and also think Trump is bad for America have no problem with Trump.
Huju, I’m very curious how a liberal justifies the statistics which show no racism exists. White men are just as likely to be shot by police when the incidence rate is normalized over the incidence of police confrontation for violent crime. Meaning, if black men and white men commit the same rate of violent crime (which they don’t – statistically, black men are 3 times as likely to) then upon contact with the police there is no indication that the black man will be shot more frequently than the white man. What say ye?
Please don’t say “What say ye”. It is annoying and grammatically incorrect, even if you really think you live in a time where “ye” was used in normal conversation.
Why must ye tell others what to saye? *Cough* ye *cough*
So what is all this supposed to accomplish again?
“Why must ye tell others what to saye? *Cough* ye *cough*”
wondered the same thing as ye“So what is all this supposed to accomplish again?”
what? you don’t understand football?
It is rarely mentioned, but all professional sports leagues operate under antitrust exemption granted by the Congress. The right thing to do would be to remove them , and to pass a law prohibiting public funds to be used for stadium construction etc. (Hello, Mr. St. Lawrence!). Grown men should play children’s games on their own buck. Of course, Drumpf would never try to get that passed, his buddies would be too upset
The NFL owners would be free to fire the players, however the NFL owners are supporting the players. It is clearly the right of the owners to express their political opinions. Note, that is why the owners could fire Alejandro Villanueva for not joining the owner-endorsed protests. Earlier protests were tolerated by the owners, the one’s this week were endorsed by (and in come cases, directed) by the owners.
And of course it is perfectly legal for fans to refuse to buy tickets or watch the games on television for the same reason – or to buy an Alejandro Villanueva jersey . The unknown in the equation is to what extent football fans are “blue” or “red”, and how that affects the teams’ bottom lines.
I myself prefer baseball, a game involving more intellects, more skill and less brute force — and in which almost half the players on American teams are from foreign countries (and with less overrepresentation of African Americans, which is also a factor in the protests), but if my favorite baseball team started protesting against my country, I would stop going to their games.
Of course they wouldn’t fire Villanueva, because the backlash would be enormous – he’s a former Army Ranger who wants to respect the flag, and it’s not an official team rule that he must remain in the locker room with his team during the anthem. However, if they did fire him it would be very interesting to watch the chaos that ensues. Much worse than ESPN removing Asian-American Robert Lee.
Reply to Curiosity: I am not familiar with the statistical evidence that racism does not exist. Where and by whom was it published, who collected the data, who analyzed the data. And if the statistics say what you say, well, good, racism problem solved. That gives me more time to worry about health care, tax reform for the middle class, and neo-Nazism.
OblikoMorale, preventing public funds from being spent on stadiums is a state issue, not a Federal one. So there would have to be 50 laws.
Akuperma, I read an article somewhere that attempted to quantify the political beliefs of football fans, and it was more red than blue, but I don’t remember by how much or where I read it. It also said that the NFL is 80% black and the fans are more than 80% white.
To coffee addict, who quoted me: First of all, the US, i.e., the federal government represented by the Stars and Stripes, provides very little police service. Local and state governments provide most of the police service. And most of the objectionable police shootings have been committed by local or state police. And I clearly did not condemn all police, I specifically said “some” police have engaged in wrongful conduct.
The handful of times that I have been at a ball park, stadium, court or ice rink where the US National Anthem is played, I stand, voluntarily. If the US started rounding up Jews or Yazidis, or local police started shooting us or the Yazidis, I might sit in protest. Is it OK with you if I stay here in America? Not that I would leave if you say “no”.
Huju, YWN doesn’t allow links, but just google “police shootings by race”. There’s a great article by National Review, and another by the LA Times, if you lack faith in conservative news sources and desire liberal ones. There’s enough research out there on this topic to keep you busy for days. Also, I would humbly suggest that if you must spend your time worrying about dangerous groups, Muslim terrorists should be much higher on the worry list than the elusive Neo-Nazis.
This country was founded as a place for people to protest and cry about stuff.
Football games are not sacred.
The irony of these protests is that they support violent criminals who get stopped by law enforcement officers.
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“What I wonder is why they are still here if they hate our president with a passion”wonder no more!
I am settled here my family job etc are all here. Why would Iget up an leave just becasue the PResdient is severly brain damaged . whn he wil be gone in probably 3.5 years maybe less (worst case 7.5 years)Frankly your question is offensive, and like the current President shows a pofound lack of understanding of the very basic principles that this country is founded upon.
“If you don’t like America enough to stand for the national anthem then just leave!”
There is this thing called the first amendment.. In AMerica you get to voice your opinion and stay. IF you dont like that you of course are free to stay and campaign to have the first amendment removed that too is your right.
So too you I say this is a free country people have a right to protest the country AND stay here. and if you dont like it, you too are welcome to stay.(As an aside you know your president really has a screw loose when regarding a fight between Nazis and Anti-Nazis the best he can muster is there are some “nice guys on both sides” but a couple of peacful protsters protesting police brutality “Get those ……..the field”
Forced love is what they have in Rocket Man’s country.
“What I am saying is you have to love our COUNTRY (which is what our FLAG represents)”
I don’t believe that you have to “love” our country, but if you live here, you need to respect the government, including the court system and the police.
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