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  • #595139
    Tums
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    As we all probably know, one is required to give kavod for a Kohen. If a Kohen comes into the room, one is to stand up for a him. And if there is no seats, offer him yours.

    Is this principle applicable to any Kohen over Bar Mitzvah? Only to a married Kohen? Obviously if your brother-in-law is a Kohen you would provide him this kavod. But what if your son-in-law is a Kohen? What if the Kohen involved is 50 years your junior? What are the parameters involved?

    #898093
    shuli
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    all i know is that my father is a cohen and i respect him anyway…

    #898094
    ItcheSrulik
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    Most poskim hold it only applies to a kohen over bar mitzvah. The rest of the issues you raised do not remove the chiyuv.

    #898095
    aries2756
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    It is interesting that this question is even asked. A Kohain, is a Kohain what would age have to do with it.

    #898096
    Tums
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    ItcheSrulik: So a father-in-law must stand up for his Kohen son-in-law?

    #898097
    Tums
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    And what about a 65 year old man for a 13 year old Kohen?

    #898098
    ItcheSrulik
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    As usual, their are halachos of interactions between two people who have to show kavod for each other. Why would it be any different than if his son-in-law were a talmid chacham?

    #898099

    I know we’re supposed to honor and respect a Kohain. About standing up though, is that the halocha? I was unaware we were supposed to stand up for a kohain. Anyone have a source?

    #898100
    deiyezooger
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    Honoring a kohain has different halachas then honoring parents, elders, or talmudei chachamim. You dont have to stand up for a kohain but you have to let him first to wash his hands or give him the first aliya.

    #898101
    ItcheSrulik
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    AFAIK we don’t have to stand up for a kohen but we do have to serve him first, let him speak first, etc.

    #898102
    Tums
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    I believe you do have to stand up for a Kohen just like you have to stand up for a Talmid Chochom and your parents.

    #898103

    Tums: Do you have a source?

    #898104
    commonsense
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    How about a mother for her kohanim sons?

    #898105
    shlishi
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    i learnt once that kohanim are usually angrier than most people. i forgot the reason why.

    #898106

    How about a mother for her kohanim sons?

    #898108
    deiyezooger
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    yes K-bear Monsey is so inclusive that even those wecos find there place here, but to say the truth I know one of them who lost his job being a rebbi in a very ultra right wing school because of the bad PR it bought them.

    #898109
    oomis
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    There is no Dibra in the Torah that says “Kabeid es avicha v’es imecha, CHUTZ m’asher atah kohein.” So I would guess that a kohein must have both kovod and morah for his mother.

    #898110
    cantoresq
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    I’m a kohen. If that is the only reason one can have for giving me any sort of kavod, I’m in big trouble.

    #898111
    oomis
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    Cantoresq: A chazzan AND a Kohein. We are related.

    #898112
    zaidy78
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    Where do you get that you have to stand for a kohen??

    Rashi and almost everywhere in chazal say that v’kidashto (to kovod but kodosh) is to give a Kohen the first aliya and and the honor of benching when there is a zimun.

    Standing is for a godol or parent.

    #898113
    ItcheSrulik
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    It also includes giving him first choice in many other situations. The fact that people don’t do it is — to use the popular parlance — no rayah.

    #898114
    canine
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    Where do you get you have to stand for a godol or parent?

    Where do you get a Kohein is different?

    #898115

    Where do you get you have to stand for a godol or parent?

    ???? ???? ???? ????? ??? ???

    Since when is a Kohen included? There is a different place where the Torah tells us to mekadesh a Kohain

    #898116
    ItcheSrulik
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    The halacha of v’kidashto is basically interpreted as placing the kohen “on a pedestal.” Though I haven’t seen it inside as an example, why can’t one be m’kayem the mitzvah by standing up for a kohen?

    #898117
    Daniel Rosen
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    “It also includes giving him first choice in many other situations. The fact that people don’t do it is — to use the popular parlance — no rayah.”

    That is not true, the Magen Avraham noticed it was the minhag where he was and most other places the people were not giving kohanim kedimah in such situations. He says it is because kohanim today do not have yichus like they used to and therefor they are not entitled to such honors.

    There is a great shiur on YU you can listen to about this. just type in yichus of kohanim today.

    see also kohen.co.uk

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