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@IYK “Maivin: great words of advice. I can see you follow them. Thanks for judging me a tzaddik. Viamech kulam tzaddikim.”
IYK I really really did not mean it sarcastically. and I hope you didn’t take it that I was saying it sarcastically. You are a part of us all. Please don’t think I am judging you.
IYK, when you say Haahem is above Torah, you are saying against the known Zohar who says yisroel, veoyraysa, vekudsha brich hu chad hu. there is a unity between Hashem, the Torah and Yisroel being One. The Torah unifies us with Hashem. It instills in us the love to Hashem and therefore, Hashem shows His love toward us thereby creating one entity.
It says Bereishis, the world was created because of the Torah called reishis and Yisroel also called reishes. The Torah is the original blue print for the world. Takmidei Chachamim don’t modify the Torah which will not change with time but as times require can modify creation. Boro ekokim laasos, Hashem created to do. They are given authority through the Torah to modify creation as required. You cannot make up your own logic as you like.
IYK,
It’s obvious to me you long for Moshiach, whether you fully realize this or not. It may be that you feel others don’t have the imagination or put enough energy into anticipating how wonderful things will be, b’ezras Hashem, may he come quickly. This could be, and I identify with some of your utopian sensibilities. On the other hand, the Torah is pretty clear that this is a world of a prescribed balance. And this online community consists generally of people who accept our mesorah and strive to live up to its ideals. As someone else may have alluded to, if we identify ourselves as traditional Jews we are essentially signing up to be corrected if something we say might be off. And hopefully we’d welcome this and have the strength to open our minds when we are clearly wrong. People can be too quick to judge, yes. Sometimes they are wrong and sometimes they are right but need to keep quiet. Maybe the one saying something isn’t doing it out of love. Or sometimes it’s a matter of timing. I know someone who struggles with halacha but “keeping halacha” isn’t really the problem. The problems are based in childhood trauma and exacerbated by drugs and other struggles.
Mitzvos and halacha are the natural expressions and consequences of a healty Jew. Avraham avinu baked matzos even before he was given the mitzvah of Pesach. There are numerous other examples.
As for looking “beyond” halacha for happiness and purpose in our curent existence, the luring meaningfulness is illusory and unbridled expressions of love in this world can actually destroy the world, chas v’shalom. But we can long for Hashem’s yeshuos and a perfect world, as you no doubt have the desire to do. May we all develop our eyes to look for Hashem’s yeshuos, and the strength and courage to try to follow Hashem’s will so that our tefilos and mitzvos are natural expressions of who we are-er – beautiful, thank you
A person bought a hat which was too small for him, so he went to a goldsmith to squeeze his head to make it smaller. When we don’t like what the Torah commands, as times have changed, we don’t change the Torah but the envirinment.
“Takmidei Chachamim don’t modify the Torah which will not change with time but as times require can modify creation. “
What about the Gemara with the story of תורה לא בשמים היא where Hashem said “my kids beat me”
@IYK.
Incredible. You are a good guy! Well donecoffee addict, there is a Daroshas Haran who explains that they could not follow Rebbi Eliezer because once the Torah was given down to earth, it must be undestood with human understanding. The Chunuch says that we must follow the majority view. The Torah agrees with the view according to their interpretation and is not a change.
I explained that leosid lavo we will pasken like the Beis Shamai, what about the majority? Currently we don’t understand their stringent view but then we will gain a greater understanding, umoloh haaretz deah, such that the majority will follow the Beis Shamai.Reb eliezer,
So if someone understands the Torah later on he can change how we follow the torah?
Reb E for CR of tthe CR!
Tosfas in Bava Metzia explains that the Beis Shamai are charufei tefei, sharper. So the Baas Kol did not argue on our understanding that the majority is in quantity and not quality and therefore not contradicting the rule of lo bashomayim.
IYK: Rather than going after Reb Elizer, I would say the ball is more in your court. In sum, you’ve felt personally judged by the velt. You may have found disagreement on this thread hashkafically, but probably more compassion and respect for you personally than perhaps you expected looking at your initial post. You’re not going to connect to what everybody says (I do not think Reb E tries to show he knows all. He does gives insights and glimpses I personally appreciate), but you can still recognize the good. Otherwise you are guilty of the same thing you can’t stand in others. There are passionate and inspired people out there, each sharing his own G-d given understanding and personality. Clearly you’ve been looking to express yourself and engage in dialogue. The question therefore is: for what reason. To dismiss or knock these people down? Or to see if there are some respectful and thoughtful people out there where you can conclude not everybody in the community is rotten, and may even have something you could learn from.
er, I know what I know but I don’t know all. The more we know, the more we know how much we don’t know. It is like an astronaut, the more space he conquers, the more he realizes how much more there is to conquer.
IYK
“Clearly you’ve all made up your mind that you know everything. Please explain the storms right now all over the world…”
It seems that you are engaging in the same behavior of which you are accusing others. We might not understand or know the reason for everything, but we still follow the written and oral law giving to us by Hashem. It is you that seems to believe that you understand the reasoning behind everything.
IYK, you are complaining when you can help yourself. Forget and put aside all that happened to you in your youth. We recognize and value your pain. Don’t let those who hurt you win.
IYK:
I’ve read your posts carefully. You write English and transliterations very well, indicating educational depth and maturity, both on a Torah and secular level. Therefore, it surprises me that you came to the coffee room with such heavy baggage. You know very well that no one here will solve your issues, if indeed you have them. Get professional help.Iyk,
How I understood your previous posts you are emotionally allergic to religion since it was forced upon you and you were beaten because of it
Correct me if I’m wrong
IYK, the Ramban in Parashas Kedoshim on the prohibition of Arleh says arleh is unheathy and the same reason applies all non-kosher foods.
The Midrash Shmuel on Pirkei Avos explains how the Beis Hilel strived to find the truth. The Beis Shamai was instrumental in it by showing the Beis Hilel an opposing view and protecting them from tunnel vision thereby sharing the praise with each other for argung lashem shomayim, for heavens sake.
Should be above, to all non-kosher foods.
Don’t sacrifice kosher food. Non-kosher food, veninamtem es halev, stuffs the heart up, affects the whole body and creates deceptive excuses, so if people want to help you allow them. When you fully recover. you will repay them.
IYK,
It seems that you suffered a lot, assuming the facts are what you said them to be, is terrible.
There is no justification to abuse another human being. However, while religion might have been used as a means for the abuse, it is not the religion or the Torah that caused the abuse. It is the sick individuals that have done so.
They would have done so regardless of their religious beliefs, and others with similar levels of religion do not endure any abuse due to their religious beliefs.
I do hope that you continue to heal, in whichever way works for you.
That said, the Torah is what it is, we do not get to change it. If you do need a different understanding in order to help you heal or survive, that has nothing to do with the rest of the world.
You should have a speedy and complete recovery.
Hashem relates to us as the Av Harachamim, an all merciful father. We are his children. However, He is also the Melech. He is our king. We cannot pick and choose which of His commandments to obey. It is futile to rationalize the purpose of the mitzvos. The king has commanded us to keep the mitzvos, and there is din vacheshbon for everyone. However stark this may seem, there is no need to despair or feel pressure. We must accept the reality and obey the Torah with joy.
As for connecting to Hashem through mitzvos, this is a very subtle connection felt exclusively by the soul. It is unlikely for most to feel this connection in this world with our physical bodies. The connection is definitely happening though, and the result will be manifest in the world to come.
See how the Ramchal explains this in derech Hashem for a full discussion. He says there that sometimes we may feel a much smaller effect of the connection that spills over from the actual connection happening. But it is just a much smaller he’arah from the greater one.
After reading about your experiences and troubles, I understand much more than before about your perspective and your sentiment. No one should judge you after knowing what you’ve been through, but that shouldn’t mean people can expected to give the benefit of doubt in this scenario since the circumstances are very uncommon. Keep seeking the truth. Don’t draw conclusions from others’ mistakes.
IYK: I just wanted to empathize with you and say that you are Hashem’s child and He loves you no matter what.
You are Hashem’s child, and He loves you. Wishing you well.
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