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July 11, 2021 12:03 am at 12:03 am #1990187IYKParticipant
How come every time I go in the Jewish community, someone has to come over to me and tell me that I’m doing wrong? I thought we follow the teachings of “don’t judge your friend until you reach his place”. Yet I’m always finding that while I’m working on being a better me, on building a stronger connection with our creator and the beautiful world we were put in, someone randomly that I don’t know, dressed in Jewish uniform, comes over to ask for my attention and ends up pointing a finger my direction. Not realizing the other three fingers in their hand are pointing to themselves. I find it very frustrating that I don’t get what people want from me, when they keep causing me pain and distracting me from growing in self love and building a connection with my creator. Nothing here comes without hard work, yet all my hard work gets torn down by people who aren’t putting in the work themselves on their lives. People died and still die to allow for a better world, more opportunities than we had before. When my time and effort in self improvement gets wasted by a distraction, the lives that were lost creating opportunities for people like me, are being disrespected as well. Opportunity that I really appreciate, life that I am learning to love, all being disrespected and devalued. By people who want me to believe they want help and want to help. Life’s not easy for people like me, yet so many around me don’t get it. It’s not what you have that matters. It’s not what you do that matters. What matters is what you do with what you have. We have opportunities we never had before. I just want to be the best me I can be. Please stop sabotaging my life. I guarantee you, we all want to be connected with love and kindness. Show it, instead of being mean and hateful. Don’t judge me negatively, I don’t want to return that favor.
July 11, 2021 12:14 am at 12:14 am #1990203☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantWhat are they criticizing you for?
July 11, 2021 12:31 am at 12:31 am #1990206IYKParticipantDifferent things they see or hear that I do. Listening to music during the three weeks, not fasting, even on Yom Kippur, eating food from non kosher stores, using my phone on Shabbos, all the while not realizing that I suffer from all that was done to me and I’m doing everything I can to stay alive and positive, not realizing that I have a stronger bond with my creator than they will ever achieve without putting in the effort I did.
July 11, 2021 12:36 am at 12:36 am #1990209ujmParticipantHow does eating treif on Yom Kippur help you achieve a stronger bond with your creator?
July 11, 2021 1:44 am at 1:44 am #1990214Sam KleinParticipantCause there’s also a Jewish halacha law to prevent another Jew from sinning and stop him before he sins.
There’s also a Jewish halacha law of giving mussar to your loving brother-yes of course nicely with love. The Torah says we are all responsible for one another. Hocheach tocheich es amisecha….. And if you don’t stop and prevent someone from sinning then it is on your account and the person who watched the person sin and didn’t stop him is held responsible.
So at the end of the day all yidden love one another and when they see you they can’t just walk by and say nothing but there’s even Jewish laws responsible to stop and say something or else be punished for the sinners sins.
May Hashem give you lots of Hatzlacha in all your needs.
July 11, 2021 1:44 am at 1:44 am #1990215☕️coffee addictParticipantIyk,
I see all the pain you are going through and I’m sorry for that and I’ll try to pray for you to get through it
There are a few things that I’ve learned so far in life
1) you can only change yourself
2) people that can’t or don’t want to see that are spiritually sick
3) they need your prayers and blessings
I hope this helps you through your journey of life
July 11, 2021 1:45 am at 1:45 am #1990216IYKParticipantThe bond was there before eating eating treif on Yom Kippur. If starving yourself and supporting price gouging or improper use of money gets you closer to your creator, I would not stop you. But that attitude, did not get me close to my creator. Kindness, love, these things showed to me by nissim in my life, rebuilt the bond that was taken from me as a child. I learnt how much there is for me, by looking inside for the truth, by feeling what I wanted for myself, understanding that if I don’t like pain, it’s not possible that our creator wants me in pain either. If I want unlimited abundance, no bloodshed, love between everyone, just because I don’t know how to accomplish it, doesn’t mean our creator doesn’t want that for me or us all. I would assume that our creator wants everything like gan eden for everyone. If you assume otherwise, if you think everything from the beginning of time wasn’t a gift, if you think we cannot get even closer and more pleasant than gan eden, then your perception is sad compared to mine.
July 11, 2021 1:46 am at 1:46 am #1990217Shimon NodelParticipantYou don’t want to be judged by others, yet you seem to be doing exactly just that. I don’t know you personally, so I cannot acuse you of anything other than what you have admitted. The fact that you believe you have a better connection to the Almighty than others is clearly reflective of a tremendous gaavah (haughtiness).
There are few things which we can say about an individual that the Creator hates him. Unfortunately for you (and tragically), gaavah is something that Hashem hates someone for. You might want to reevaluate your loving connection with the All Merciful, especially before so harshly condemning others who are moser nefesh to keep the mitzvos.
July 11, 2021 1:47 am at 1:47 am #1990224AviraDeArahParticipantSomeone who is upset over open violations of basic Torah law being done by someone who looks like a member of the community, without knowing whatever circumstances led you to this behavior, is not being judgemental. I’m sorry to be blunt – if you’re committing sins in full view of others, that is very different from what you do in the privacy of your home, it is a chillul hashem in the literal definition of the term and if someone cares about the Torah they will not readily be silent. Whatever reason you may have is not my business or anyone else’s; what is their business is that you’re doing something antithetical to Hashem’s will right in front of them, “in your face” type of thing.
Think of something you care about… what would you do if you saw a person hurting a child? Would you stand idly by and say “it’s his choice, I’m not going to judge”. “If someone was screaming racial slurs, would it not bother you enough to speak out? When it’s something you care about, you speak up – as rav chaim brisker used to say “when it hurts, you scream”
That doesn’t mean that everyone who rebukes you is doing the right thing. Often rebuke is fueled by less-than-holy motivations of knocking down others to make one’s self feel better about their own lack of self esteem.
Judgementalness is to judge you – or anyone else – as either being a tzadik or a rasha. Has anyone called you a rasha? If they have, they are mistaken. It is not in our ability to judge individuals, but we are obligated to judge actions and to stand up for kovod shomayim when applicable. One who does not protest chilul hashem is held accountable, as “silence is like admission”.
Hashem should help remove your pain and trauma and help you do teshuva shlaima, as you are his beloved daughter, the same as all of us.
July 11, 2021 1:52 am at 1:52 am #1990228AviraDeArahParticipantWhat brings us close to hashem is mitzvos. Nothing else. The very word mitzvah relates to “tzavsa”, “connection”. Any other connection is imagined and psychological. So yes, fasting on yom kippur brings you close to hashem because he gave us the commandment to do it. Any objections you have to the practices of the kosher industry may be valid, but they do not permit you to eat non kosher food.
July 11, 2021 8:48 am at 8:48 am #1990236IYKParticipantCoffee addict:
As long as you’re learning about life, you’re being productive. Keep shteiging. Hashem loves when people do that.July 11, 2021 8:50 am at 8:50 am #1990244Sam KleinParticipantIYK
YOU wrote
“I learnt how much there is for me, by looking inside for the truth, by feeling what I wanted for myself, understanding that if I don’t like pain, it’s not possible that our creator wants me in pain either.”sometimes Hashem Punishes the righteous people while living in yhis temporary physical world so that they can be completely righteous when they come up to the true world above and that punishment is for their benefit. There are other reasons why people go through hard times in life besides for being tested in their faith and trust in Hashem. Upon which when passing the test it brings you closer to Hashem and brings you higher to another test of a higher level of faith so you can keep on getting closer and closer to Hashem.
May Hashem always be there for you when you call out to him for help.
July 11, 2021 8:51 am at 8:51 am #1990251IYKParticipantAviraDeArah: according to what you just said, the goal of every mitzvah is to be connected. If it doesn’t create a bigger connection, it’s not a mitzvah. Obviously, something with how the mitzvos are taught are wrong, or we’d already be fully reconnected and back in gan eden at the very least.
July 11, 2021 11:45 am at 11:45 am #1990376☕️coffee addictParticipantTo everyone (except for IYK)
אל תדין את האדם עד שתגיע למקומו
Additionally,
גדול עבירה לשמה ממצוה שלא לשמה
It seems like IYK is doing עבירות לשמה what does that mean? To come closer to Hashem as opposed to doing mitzvos because that’s how he was brought up (I’m assuming iyk is a he as opposed to someone else that assumed iyk is a she)
I have heard in the name of Rav Avraham Twerski that if an addict needs to make a call on shabbos or Yom Tov he’s allowed to because that is פיקוח נפש the same can be applied here
July 11, 2021 11:48 am at 11:48 am #1990379IYKParticipantSam Klein:
Hashem is always there, even if you’re in gehennim. Even the snake cannot exist if hashem doesn’t want it to. I disagree with the belief that our creator punishes, as we were created the way we were intended to be created, any less would be disbelief in the capabilities of our creator. Even the snake used to test Adam and chavah suffers because it sees that damage was and is still done, by it seeing the development of insuperiority of humans. The snake also has it’s tikkun, whether you find that surprising or not, because if it didn’t, it wouldn’t exist. If we are not being mechazek one another to be mesaken ourselves, to connect with our creator’s positivity, to see love and kindness and share extra of that, if our actions weaken instead of strengthen, we have to put our faith in our creator that we will be shown how to cause connection instead of disconnection. By judging everything and everyone likaf zechus, we are judging our creator’s plan as positive as well. Even when I feel pain by how Jewish people treat me, I still come here to mention that we need to find a way to judge our creator positively in order to bring the whole world back into connectivity once again. I love everything and everyone around me. But inappropriate touch, is just one issue that causes disconnection. I don’t like when a mosquito lands on me, but it needs to taste sweet life in order to live, that’s how it exists now. I don’t judge our creator as bad because I got bitten, I just wish there was a different way for the mosquitoes to find the sweetness in life, e.g. by sipping the extra nectar in flowers instead of the sweet life living in me. Yes there is plenty of sweet life in me to share with the mosquitoes, but the itching that I experienced by what’s left behind by it, I don’t appreciate. The pain left behind by being judged likaf chov to the point that I hated life, is causing me to be judged likaf chov again. I’m just asking to let our creator be the judge, instead of misperceptions of thinking foolish things like “pain is good”, as judgement by our creator is only love and kindness. Only causes understanding and connection, life to grow in connectivity. We can grow to see ahavas hashem as more important and more meaningful than ahavas tzaar.July 11, 2021 12:09 pm at 12:09 pm #1990401☕️coffee addictParticipantIYK,
I think R Akiva disproves what you’re saying
He was able to see Hashem’s Goodness through his “pain” (fox leaving the heichal, saying אחד when he’s being killed, כל דעבד רחמנא לטב עביד)
July 11, 2021 12:09 pm at 12:09 pm #1990406Reb EliezerParticipantIYK, I understand your situation. When our sages commanded us to eat on Yom Kippur as our health comes before almost everything to protect our holy soul, we endeavour to violate the Torah by doing the smallest violation like eating kosher on Yom Kippur as kosher fish which has scales and fins.
July 11, 2021 12:55 pm at 12:55 pm #1990414☕️coffee addictParticipantReb eliezer,
And if the person is allergic to kosher?
July 11, 2021 1:29 pm at 1:29 pm #1990420IYKParticipantCoffee addict:
I am not rabbi akiva, but his connection to Torah was one of the greats. I’m pretty sure that Torah knowledge protected him in his journey to olam habba, a greater love than the short moment of losing the physical connection. He had his eyes on the prize, so to speak.
I’ll give you an example of something that I disagree with what is being said in the name of modern Torah scholars. A current headline on YWN states “ HaRav Kanievsky: “Whover Has A Part In Gezeiros Against Chareidim Will Sit In Gehinnom”. I beg to differ. They are currently in gehinnom, already now, or pain wouldn’t be the intent of their actions, love would. Decrees causing diversity wouldn’t be made by them, rather they’d be making decrees that cause togetherness.July 11, 2021 1:29 pm at 1:29 pm #1990422Reb EliezerParticipantcoffee addict, that is a new one for me. The Ramban. who was also a doctor, says by arleh that kosher is the healthiest food for us.
July 11, 2021 1:55 pm at 1:55 pm #1990426IYKParticipantReb Eliezer:
No one wants to disconnect from doing what is right and experiencing the love of our creator. If there is any danger to our body holding our soul, there is a reason for non kosher, to save the life of the body that is being lost. My personal experience was that I became a diabetic, meat was the only option available at the time that would bring my body back to life, kosher meat was too expensive so I did what was necessary. Those who gave money for the cause, knowing it had to be done, didn’t like it either, but money is scarce in these circles. They understood that it was necessary for now, given availability of assistance. I didn’t like that I felt the need to do it, but I’m no longer a diabetic. I didn’t enjoy exercising, but I enjoyed the results. Now I’m regaining strength that I need to live, need to recuperate. I wouldn’t want to have to eat even kosher meat, if I could come to a understanding of how to thrive without it, without supporting unnecessary loss of life. We are all in this boat, but the less we row the boat towards our destination in unison, the longer it takes to reach paradise. Sometimes, someone who rowed real hard with dedication, pushed to the point of passing out, gets more credit in the eyes of those who sat back and enjoyed the ride, not putting in much effort at all. There is a great feeling to paradise, some want it more than others.July 11, 2021 2:08 pm at 2:08 pm #1990428Reb EliezerParticipantThe month of Av teaches us that Hashem, our father, who shows through instilling pain that he has not forsaken us. Shivtecha umishentech. your rod,stick and/or your crutch console us that You have not forsaken us like a father towards his son. The Chidushei Harim says that the snake was cursed by eating dust which is around everywhere as Hashem says to it, here is your food and don’t bother me. I don’t desire your prayer.
July 11, 2021 2:08 pm at 2:08 pm #1990429IYKParticipantReb Eliezer:
Even a fish with fins and scales, prepared improperly, is a danger to physical health.July 11, 2021 2:08 pm at 2:08 pm #1990440Reb EliezerParticipantIYK, I really feel sorry and bad about your situation. The Klei Yakar(born 1540) on the pasuk that animals will fear us explains that if we learn and keep the Torah, we climb above animals that were created for our benefit and we become entitled to consume them at least on shabbos and yom tov which instills enjoyment for us.
July 11, 2021 2:55 pm at 2:55 pm #1990449IYKParticipantReb Eliezer:
I feel bad for your situation, as you seem to think pain is necessary to fix a problem, as opposed to pressure, that rewards increase with progress towards the goal of our creator.July 11, 2021 3:02 pm at 3:02 pm #1990458AviraDeArahParticipantIyk -I don’t understand why you’re assuming that connection to hashem means that we would automatically be in gan eden. Much of your assault on halacha and hashkafa seems to come from your own assessment of the torah ideas that you’ve either read about or been taught, but if they are leading in the direction of violation of the Torah, are you honestly pursuing the truth? Is rationalization and justification of your own shortcomings not a more reasonable explanation?
Just to clarify, the mesilas yeshorim in the first perek says that “the only “good” is being close to, connected to hashem. That’s the pasuk “veahi kirvas elokim li tov”, the only way to get that is mitzvos. Then he says that if so, all situations in this world, whether suffering or pleasure, are not inherently good or bad. Since “pen esba vekikashti veamarti mi hashem, ufen ivaresh veganavti”, “lest i become satisfied and i will deny and say “who is hashem”(i.e. forgetting that hashem is the source of the good situation) and lesr i become poor and i will steal(forgetting that it is hashem who makes us poor or rich and will provide for us even if we don’t steal).
He then addresses your question. He says that the main place for this closeness is olam haba. It was created with the perfection to sustain such an existence. However, he says one can and will attain “olam haba on this world” by doing the mitzvos and not sinning. It will be a life of connecting to hashem on our level, “shlaimu haamiti”, true perfection in his words.
That suffering is for our benefit is axiomatic in Judaism. If you would rather believe in the fake santa claus god who only gives us what we want and what we think is good, there are many idolatrous religions such as Zoroastrianism which believe in two gods, one good and one bad, which fit that horrible worldview. But Judaism says shema yisroel hashem elokeinu(lashon din, judgement) hashem (lashon mercy) echad
It sounds like you were either educated by chabad, with elevated concepts emphasized to you without teaching basics, like the mesilas yeshorim i quoted. Or you were taught not to ask questions by uneducated teachers who lack the knowledge to answer you when you were in high school. Either way you’ve come out with a mindset that if you can ask a question on a gemara or a sefer, that you have disproven it and can walk away ignoring what it says. In Yeshiva we question everything and raise contradictions all the time; this is why I was reasonably sure that you were a woman, because had you been to a Yeshiva and seen the way an average Yeshiva bochur analyzes a text yet leaves the beis medrash believing fully in the truth of what he has learned….. You wouldn’t be so quick to disregard basic torah ideas because you have a question.
honestly the mesilas yeshorim is the most fundamental work of musar and hashkafa that we have, and most of your tirades are disproven in literally the first 2 pages of the first chapter, much of which i quoted above.
July 11, 2021 3:02 pm at 3:02 pm #1990457IYKParticipantReb Eliezer: in Gan Eden, we used to communicate with the animals. Both sides were heard. Don’t you want such a strong connection once again? How do you think a true bond with the animals can be achieved? Ever heard of the lion whisperer? Accepted as part of the pride? Creating personal connections to lions and hyenas through understanding, love and kindness? We have such potential as a human race, but we run from ourselves, run to pain. If we love ourselves and value our lives, don’t you think the animals do too?
July 11, 2021 3:03 pm at 3:03 pm #1990454☕️coffee addictParticipantIyk,
I never said (or even implied) that you were on Rav Akiva’s level, what I am saying is that Rav Akiva shows one can still have a close connection to Hashem even with pain because you should always transform the pain into “ how is this going to help me grow”
That is the point of life, to grow as a person (both spiritually and emotionally) and if Hashem is giving you that pain he’s the one that knows you can grow (and hopefully will) grow from it
Nothing happens in this world by chance and everything that happens to you happens FOR you (the ל means both to and for)
Reb eliezer,
It seems like iyk is emotionally allergic to kosher food
July 11, 2021 4:05 pm at 4:05 pm #1990489Reb EliezerParticipantOne of the lessons we learn, one does not die from a question. This was based on a question to allow a married woman to remarry and consider the husband dead. We must have two winesses that testify to that effect. It also applies in Torah learning by understanding that the lack of knowledge to answer a question is a deficiency in us but not in the Torah. So what the Torah says is still true even though we can’t answer a question.
July 11, 2021 4:27 pm at 4:27 pm #1990495Reb EliezerParticipantAccording to the above Klei Yakar, Adam Harishon did not learn Torah and therefore, was forbidden to eat meat whereas Noach was allowed as he did by recognizing the kosher. seven animals for sacrifice and the two, non kosher, not for sacrifice.
July 11, 2021 5:04 pm at 5:04 pm #1990508AviraDeArahParticipantAlso, an imagined utopia where there is no violence even to animals….
Animals kill each other violently every day. The world is not the way it was in gan eden, and if you want it to be so, then keep the mitzvos and bring the geulah! That’s the only way. Having imagined compassion for animals does literally nothing towards that goal. You’re seeing an effect and mistaking it for the main goal; world peace even among people isn’t s goal in itself, but a kli machzik brocho, a vessel that holds bracha for us to be able to learn and do mitzvos unfettered.
Aharon hakohen, the elitome of compassion and peace – *gasp* killed animals for karbonos!
Pinchos was given a covenant of peace for…killing a wicked man!
Your ideas of peace are to be found not in Judaism, vut5in eastern religions like buddhism…so we have Zoroastrianism for the good things / bad things, and buddhism for the fake compassion towards “all living things” and superficial peace and love, all “based” on some reading of little medrash says….
Lovely
July 11, 2021 5:14 pm at 5:14 pm #1990518MaivinParticipantI’m so sorry for what you going thru IYK.
Remember ‘its never too late to correct your mistakes’ and ‘a Tzadik falls 7 times but still gets up.Someone in Klal Yisroel that feels your pain
July 11, 2021 5:26 pm at 5:26 pm #19905202scentsParticipantI am not sure if the OP is a troll, an attempt at getting twisted subliminal messages across while posing as a ‘victim’ or a legitimate victimized individual.
In either case, the premise that connection to Hashem is what one decides it to be is contrary to what Hashem himself has stated. Hashems will is the Torah (written and oral), What you believe to be true, is not what Hashem says is true.
The fact that you are using the alleged suffering you bore as a justification for violating Hashem’s rule, makes it pretty clear that you have a decent understanding of right and wrong, and you are using an excuse to justify the wrong your doing.
I was trying to read your posts objectively, but you gravitate from complaining about people being judgemental (which you are guilty of, as was pointed out by others), to explaining your reasoning for making up how one is connected to Hashem.
If you have personal issues, that is something you need to deal with, and I hope you get help with that, but that does not afford you a license to change Hashem’s word.
July 11, 2021 6:32 pm at 6:32 pm #1990529Reb EliezerParticipantIn creation what was created before was for need of what was created later like a prepared table. Water was for the plants, plants were for animals and animals were for humans.
July 11, 2021 6:33 pm at 6:33 pm #1990528AviraDeArahParticipantAs to connecting to animals – everything, every object and plantsnf animal has a spiritual source that can communicate. That is why we have seforim that say that there is “sichas dekalim”, talk of the palm trees – according to IYK, we should not eat fruits or vegetables, because if trees can talk then surely they feel pain when you cut them down or tear off their limbs….
Rather, the same way in perek shira, every living thing “sings” to hashem, so too inanimate objects…they all have a “sar” or spiritual component that is sentient. Animals themselves however, are not. They are programmed and have no neshoma, soul, free will, or what we would call emotions…they are a bag lf chemicals that react to stimuli.
Compassion to them, say the rishonim, are not because hashem cares about their pain (anyone who says that shiluach haken, sending away the mother bird before taking the eggs, is due to Hashem’s compassion, is only mistaken – gemara says this word for word), but rather for our own sake, that if we violate the laws of tzaar baalei chaim, and unduly hurt animals for no reason, we are building a trait of cruelty in ourselves that will affect how we deal with people. Causing pain for a purpose, whether it be for food, korban, medical research, etc…is perfectly fine and indeed a mitzvah.
This is what happens when you learn medrashim seriously with the meforshim.
July 11, 2021 6:43 pm at 6:43 pm #19905352scentsParticipantOn the topic of consuming meat, the Torah (Hashem’s law) allows us to eat meat. The Creator that created the world from nothing, created man and animal, allowed man to consume the animal.
July 11, 2021 7:15 pm at 7:15 pm #1990540IYKParticipantTo all posters. I clearly stated in the beginning, don’t judge me negatively, I don’t want to return the favor.
July 11, 2021 7:15 pm at 7:15 pm #1990537Reb EliezerParticipantShechita minimizes the pain to animals when killing them, but if Hashem cares for any pain in animals how can we kill them?
July 11, 2021 7:15 pm at 7:15 pm #1990538Reb EliezerParticipant2scents, don’t forget the gemora, am haaretz assur lechol bossor which I explained above with the Klei Yakar.
July 11, 2021 7:16 pm at 7:16 pm #1990539IYKParticipantCoffee addict:
Once again, you are the exception to “am kishei oref” here, on the correct path. I hold no accusation against you. I was simply stating that rabbi akiva was on such a high level of torah knowledge by the time he said shema for the last time, that likely was protected from physical pain. When the makom tefillin was defiled, that was emotional pain. Feeling disrespect towards the place that his connection was made.July 11, 2021 7:39 pm at 7:39 pm #1990548☕️coffee addictParticipantThank you iyk,
I don’t know how to deal well with praise (I have my own demons to take care of)
On the topic of R Akiva’s emotional pain he got up from the deaths of his 24,000 talmidim while not questioning Hashem and accepting that כל דעביד רחמנא לטב עביד whether it was physical or emotional
Everything, and I mean everything, happens for our benefit (Hashem is the טוב ומיטב לכל and absolutely nothing happens outside of His will)
July 11, 2021 9:10 pm at 9:10 pm #1990564IYKParticipantCoffee addict: praise is a sign of support for what you’re doing. Remember it says, kol sheruach habriyos nochah heimenu, ruach hamakom nocha heimenu. It means hashem loves you. Use that as your fuel to continue doing the ratzon haborei. Hashem is our guide, praise is supposed to be a motivator to repeat the positive action. As my teachers used to write on tests, Metzuyan!
July 11, 2021 9:12 pm at 9:12 pm #19905552scentsParticipantIYK,
I am sorry if what I wrote hurt your feelings. I dont know who you are or what happened to you in the past, whatever that may be I do hop you get help and are able to heal.
That said, I did take issue with what it seemingly was implied by your posts.
About some of Hashems commandments being arbitrary. While what happened to you might have hurt you to the point where eating on yom kippur and eating non kosher seems ok, the Torah says otherwise. So when some point that out and refuse to accept your subjective interpretation of what Hashem wants, and calls you out for publicly making up what Hashem has said, is not judging you as a human being.
July 11, 2021 9:12 pm at 9:12 pm #1990565IYKParticipantAviraDeArah: as the saying goes, never assume… I won’t extrapolate this one here 😉
Everything is alive for a reason. Unnecessary killing, does not accomplish positivity. Picking unripe fruits, does not accomplish positivity. When the fruits are ripe for picking, the tree lets go. That’s how we know it’s beneficial to consume or replant to grow more. It’s extra that is being shared by nature. Nature is a self sustaining and self loving system. The more fully beneficial gains shared, the more growth continues. The more early taking before given happens, the less beneficial things happen.July 11, 2021 9:13 pm at 9:13 pm #1990556IYKParticipantMaivin: great words of advice. I can see you follow them. Thanks for judging me a tzaddik. Viamech kulam tzaddikim.
July 11, 2021 10:02 pm at 10:02 pm #1990588Reb EliezerParticipantIYK, Hashem gave the power to change nature, if required, to Torah learners as the Torah is above nature. We don’t worship nature as it is a creation of Hashem.
July 11, 2021 10:57 pm at 10:57 pm #1990593IYKParticipantReb Eliezer:
Hashem is above torah. Even if those who learn it think they can control our creator through Torah, we were never given that power, never will be given such a power. Any attempt to change our creator is the same as saying you hate creation. Every human who learns torah has it within, yet still is required to acknowledge hashem is above us all. If a Torah scholar knowledgeable in tzoraas tells the kohen this is not tzoraas, if the kohen says tameh, the kohen’s word stands. The kohen fought for hashem. It’s not easy, but it is very rewarding. It’s time to recognize there is a creator above us all, who wants good and has a good plan. If this is hard to achieve, learn shaar habitachon over and over until you have no friends at all. Then you’ll see that hashem is our greatest source of love, is within each and every one of us, you’ll be able to connect with hashem from within and end up seeing hashem everywhere in and out. It’s inescapable, pure love, pure life, guarded within and without. Truly worth fighting for.July 11, 2021 11:20 pm at 11:20 pm #1990596Reb EliezerParticipantHashem loves those who learn his Torah and gives them strength to change nature.
July 11, 2021 11:56 pm at 11:56 pm #1990602IYKParticipantYes. To change their own nature. To connect with our creator. To understand love. To desire our creator’s love. When love begins to overflow, share with others trying to change their nature. Reward them for their efforts by guiding them to do the same. To become overflowing with love. When all our cups are overflowing with love, viochalta visavata, uverachta, we will all bless together. Together all who dried out and have been brought back to life will call out Baruch Shem Kivod Malchuso Liolam Vaed with meaning love and we will sing hallel together.
July 12, 2021 12:35 am at 12:35 am #1990606Reb EliezerParticipantThe Tzetil Katan says that our assignment for this world is to change our own natural behavior.
I heard a story from the daughter of Rav Yonasan Steif ztz’l where his student was called in to the draft in Hungary. He went to him and he gave him an incantation to say before seeing the doctor found in the gemora Megilla, the goats in the slaughter house are fatter than me. Once he said that, his hands developed the sign of leprosy. The doctor said, you are coming to infect us, get out. As he went outside, the whole thing disappeared and his hands got cured. -
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