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    SQUARE_ROOT
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    If you ask your fellow Jew to define the term “Baal Teshuvah”,
    the response is almost certain to be “someone who didn’t grow up religious”.

    If you press for a more specific answer, you’ll get
    “didn’t always observe the laws of Shabbos and Kashrus.”

    The Baal Teshuvah is to be contrasted with the Frum From Birth (“FFB”),
    the latter being a far more desirable species of Jew.

    While Baalei Teshuvah are lauded for their return to an observant lifestyle,
    and even admired for the challenges they must overcome,
    they never manage to shake the stigma of not being Frum From Birth.

    This stigma is even transferred to children and the extended family,
    as if it is a genetic defect of spiritual proportions.

    Not surprisingly, Baalei Teshuvah have a significantly lower value on the shidduch market,
    and in general have a much lower ceiling in the observant Jewish community.

    The definition of Baal Teshuvah as one who was previously less observant
    and the resulting lower status of those saddled with the term is one of
    only a few things the myriad splinters of observant Jewry (particularly FFBs) agree upon.

    If one studies the Torah’s definition of the term “Baal Teshuvah”,
    an entirely different picture emerges.

    [1] The Midrash Rabah in Bamidbar 2:10 states that during the 40 years
    in the desert the tribe of Reuven received honorable placement
    in the camping arrangement because Reuven was a Baal Teshuvah;
    he had acted brazenly toward his father following
    the death of Rachel and repented for it.
    The Midrash further comments that teshuva is a fine trait,
    and the act of teshuva brings about HaShem’s mercy.

    It must be noted that the term “Baal Teshuvah”
    is applied to Reuven in a completely positive context.

    [2] The same term is applied to Mar Ukva.
    As Rashi unabashedly relates about this great Talmudic figure,
    Mar Ukva once became infatuated with a certain married woman,
    to the extent that he became ill.

    After some time she met dire financial straits, and to procure
    a loan from the wealthy Mar Ukva was prepared to submit to him.
    That which he yearned for was his!

    However, he conquered his temptation and sent her away in peace.
    He was cured from his illness, and from that point on a heavenly fire
    blazed above his head when he went to the market (see Sanhedrin 31B, Rashi).

    Again, the term “Baal Teshuvah” is applied in a most complimentary
    fashion to one who emerged victorious from an encounter with sin,
    and who earned heavenly approbation only through becoming a Baal Teshuvah.

    So what exactly is a “Baal Teshuvah”?

    Says Rabbi Yehudah, one who had repeated opportunity
    to sin and was spared (Midrash Agadah, Vayikra 16).

    Rabbi Eliezer further teaches that one should repent one day before his death.
    His students asked whether one knows when he will die so that he could schedule this repentance.
    Rabbi Eliezer replied that, all the more so, one must repent every day in case he will die tomorrow, a
    nd thus he will be a “Baal Teshuvah” all his days (tractate Shabbat, page 65B).

    In fact, this teaching is cited as Halacha in the Rif;
    it is an obligation for one to be a Baal Teshuvah!

    We must further note based on this teaching that one can lose
    the glorious title of Baal Teshuvah if he discontinues his repentance.

    While certainly it is preferable for one not to sin than to sin and perform teshuva,
    the vast majority of people are Baalei Teshuvah.

    [3] The greatness of the Baal Teshuvah is that he has tasted the alluring flavor of sin,
    yet pained himself to separate from it.
    The reward for this is great (commentary of Magen Avot to Pirkei Avot 3:20).

    [4] The Shulchan Aruch states that a wicked person should not
    be buried next to a righteous person, and an exceedingly wicked person
    should not be buried next to a moderately wicked person.

    Similarly, a righteous person or an ordinary person should not be
    buried next to an exceedingly pious individual.

    However, the author notes in his other Halachic work,
    the Beth Yosef, that a Baal Teshuvah may be buried next to
    a fully righteous person, by which he presumably means
    one who was observant all his days (Shulchan Aruch, Yoreh Deah 362:5).

    The previous source clearly indicates that one who has rehabilitated
    himself from sin reclaims his status in the community. Not only that,
    however, it is absolutely forbidden to remind a Baal Teshuvah
    of his past deeds or a convert of the deeds of his forefathers,
    as the Torah states (Shemot 22)
    “Do not torment or oppress a convert” (Mishnah, Bava Metzia 4:10).

    We are adjured in numerous places throughout the Torah
    to treat converts with equity and sensitivity.
    It goes without saying that Baalei Teshuvah, who are born as
    “one of us”, should receive this same treatment.

    In contrast, the laws of shechitah, such a vital aspect of kashrut,
    are barely hinted in the Torah.

    Yet while so many Jews turn their lives upside down over
    the most remote concerns with kashrut, that which the Torah
    treated with utmost priority is trampled upon.

    Nowadays it has become completely mainstream in
    the shidduch world for contestants to be made to divulge
    if they are a Baal Teshuvah and for how long they have been one.
    Those who must check this unfortunate box on the questionnaire
    are essentially branded as undesirables.

    There can be no greater violation of the previous source,
    no greater “reminder” of one’s past lifestyle, than this –
    yet there is no public outcry over this travesty,
    no Rabbinic condemnation of this defilement of those who are pure.

    I would not be at all surprised if this widespread injustice
    is partially responsible for the degradation the Jewish people
    suffer at the hands of the nations of the world.
    After all, HaShem always repays in kind.

    One Shabbat last year I was a guest speaker at a shul
    in a large Jewish community, and I touched upon the
    mistreatment of so-called Baalei Teshuvah.

    Afterwards a man approached me and related his heartbreaking story.
    He had become observant in his early 20s, and since that time
    had contributed greatly to the community as a teacher
    and through his involvement with communal affairs.

    However, the community never forgot, or let him forget,
    that he wasn’t “one of them”. Most notably, shadchanim
    were unwilling to propose suitable shidduchim.

    Now in his 40’s, more than 20 years since becoming observant,
    he remained unmarried, denied true entrance into
    the community like a leper or a Moabite.

    I asked him if, were it possible to do it all over again,
    he would make the same decision to become observant,
    knowing the rough treatment he would suffer by his fellow Jews.
    He said that he would not.

    This is a damning verdict against the Jewish people.
    We sing the praises of repentance, yet brutally punish t
    hose who undertake the holy challenge.

    Do those involved with outreach inform their naïve
    and trusting clientele of the stigma that awaits them?
    Do they tell those seeking a religious lifestyle
    that no one will want to marry them?

    When embracing them with open arms, do they
    whisper in their ears that they would have a heart attack,
    if one of their children ever wanted to marry them?

    I suspect that those involved with outreach say none of these things,
    preferring to draw them close under false pretenses
    and betray them later on. G*D’s holy work, indeed.

    And what of the privileged class of the Frum From Birth? I submit that in reality there is no such thing. The Torah states that the nature of Man is wicked, and the Talmud elaborates that the inclination to be good develops after childhood. Consequently, no one is frum from birth. We are all just the opposite – until, that is, we learn to become frum.

    **************************************************

    A great deal is also made of a person’s lineage, further
    stratifying even those who might claim to be FFB.
    Being the descendant of a noted Rabbinic figure
    is to shadchanim what pedigree is to animal collectors.

    Yet while yichus is indeed on the list of attributes our Sages
    teach us to consider, it is the very last item on the list.

    The Mishnah states that in matters of religious precedence
    (such as being called up to the Torah), a Kohen precedes a Levi,
    who precedes a Yisrael, who precedes a Mamzer,
    who precedes a Nasin, who precedes a convert,
    who precedes a former gentile servant.

    However, this is only true when their Torah knowledge
    and merits are equal. Should a Mamzer be a scholar
    and a Kohen Gadol an ignoramus – the latter enjoying
    the most impeccable yichus – the Mamzer comes first
    (Horayot 3:8). We see from here that lineage is merely a tiebreaker,
    a nice bonus to complement one’s inherent value as an individual.

    While our Sages teach us that the children of a woman
    may bear resemblance to her brothers, and thus one should
    pay attention to the family of a girl he is considering for marriage,
    we must note that Rivka’s brother was none other than Lavan.
    We are all glad that Yitzchak nevertheless married her.

    If we are to conclude anything, it must be that yichus
    is an indicator of the nature of a person,
    but it is only an indicator, and one of many at that.

    Following the near-sacrifice of his son, Avraham desired
    to marry him off without delay to insure the continuation
    of the Jewish people. Avraham first thought of the righteous
    daughters of Aner, Eshkol, and Mamre, not caring a whit
    about yichus (in the very words of the Midrash).

    He chose a different course only after being informed
    by HaShem that Yitzchak’s intended wife was
    born to another family (Bereishit Rabah 57).

    Rabbi Levi said that Nadav and Avihu were pompous;
    many Jewish girls desired to marry them, but they said,
    “Our father’s brother [Moshe] is a king, our mother’s brother
    [Nachshon] is a prince, our father [Aharon] is the Kohen Gadol,
    and we are both assistants to the Kohen Gadol – what woman is fit for us?”
    (Vayikra Rabah 20:10) Placing too much of an emphasis
    on their impeccable yichus helped lead to their tragic deaths.

    Finally, the Sefer Chinuch, in his elaboration on Mitzva 563,
    writes that the descendants of a convert from the nation of Edom
    are permitted to marry into the general Jewish population
    after three generations. If a Jew makes up his mind that
    under no circumstances will he marry such a person,
    due to the fact that Edom caused great trouble for the Jews,
    or simply because he is biased against foreigners,
    he transgresses a Biblical prohibition.
    After all, the Torah commands us to distance these people
    only for three generations, and thus after that point
    it is forbidden to discriminate against them in any way.

    If it is a Biblical prohibition to discriminate against
    a descendant of Edom, how much more so is one forbidden
    to discriminate against a Baal Teshuvah,
    who was born with Kedushat Yisrael!

    The many Jews who rush to fulfill whatever pseudo-religious
    behavior is fashionable should take this
    genuine mitzvah upon themselves with similar zeal.

    Those who are blessed with impressive yichus bear
    a great responsibility to live up to the example of their ancestors.
    If they fail to do so, their yichus becomes nothing more than a mark of shame.

    **************************************************

    Based upon the many sources cited, covering the gamut of
    Tanach, Mishnah, Gemara, Midrash, and Halacha, it is clear that
    the entire community must change its definition of Baal Teshuvah
    to “one who repents for any sin”.
    The connotation of the term must also change from negative to positive.

    I further suggest that when singles are confronted with this question,
    they should respond that they are indeed Baalei Teshuvah
    and have been such for as many years as they are alive.
    After all, how could any self-respecting Jew, who goes to shul
    every Yom Kippur, not consider himself a Baal Teshuvah,
    and who would want to marry such a person?

    If enough people have the courage and reliance on HaShem
    as the true orchestrator of marriages to respond in this fashion,
    the question will quickly become irrelevant, if not eliminated entirely.

    It’s certainly understandable for singles to seek assurance
    that potential shidduchim who did not grow up fully observant
    are now stable in their religious ways. However, this assurance
    can be gleaned only by getting to know the individual,
    and has little to do with the number of years since becoming observant.
    (Oftentimes those who “drop out” do so not because of a lack of seriousness,
    but because they are turned off and turned away
    by the community after sacrificing so much to enter it.)

    We see all too often that even those who grow up in observant households
    carry no guarantees of continuing that tradition. If anything, newly observant
    people are generally more passionate and sincere in their observance,
    to the extent that they put the rest of us to shame.

    #2306987
    jdb
    Participant

    This very much varies by community. In my experience, there are communities hold BTs to be on a very high level, and being the child of a BT can be a type of yichus that people look for in shidduchim. That said, there are communities that unfortunately don’t yet recognize that gadlus of BTs, but this is really their loss.

    It’s all a matter of outlook.

    #2307021

    There is a letter from Rambam to a Yemenite ger who asked whether he can recite that Avraham is his father, as he is not. Rambam says – you yourself are at Avraham’s level, so “yes you can” (way before O-, so Rambam has the copyright). Similar sentiment applies to BTs.

    #2307025
    catch yourself
    Participant

    For context, I am fortunate to have been “FFB”.

    “Ba’al Teshuva,” not unlike “Am ha’aretz,” has a very different meaning in the vernacular from what it means in the Torah.

    Your anecdotal evidence is not compelling. I obviously don’t know the individual whose story you relate, but I do know numerous Ba’alei Teshuva who are happily married. Many of them married “FFB” spouses. I happen to know a good number of geirim who are married, and a fair portion of them are also married to FFB spouses.

    I also know many people who are FFB who – unfortunately – never married.

    The protagonist in your story likely has more than just the fact that he’s a Ba’al Teshuva to explain why he wasn’t able to get married.

    In my experience, Ba’alei Teshuva are, by and large, fully accepted and integrated into the general Frum community. Sure there are FFB people who can’t get over their own immaturity. There are Ba’alei Teshuva like that as well.

    Please don’t paint the entire Frum community with the black brush of hatred.

    #2307035
    Sam Klein
    Participant

    So based on everything you have written above when will klal yisroel stop living in denial and FACE REALITY with immediately coming together as one loving nation for serious teshuva and Achdus together so Hashem can send mashiach already bkarov?

    Have we not recently and in the past rachmana litzlan already had enough tzaros to openly confess and accept Hashems wake up call for serious teshuva and Achdus together? Do we need anything to get worse Chas Vshalom?
    First Hashem recently HINTED it to his loving children klal yisroel through the goyish nations by having presidential election candidate Donald Trump hit in the ear but when klal yisroel doesn’t openly LISTEN FROM OUR EARS and accept Hashems wake up call for serious teshuva kinnus and tannis like Mordechai and Esther did in the story of Purim and our lives were saved because of it, then we leave our loving family and king of kings Hashem no choice but to hit klal yisroel directly with non stop horrific tragedies rachmana litzlan of 2 fathers killed in the Catskills and 2 children drowned by their own mother and many other tragedies rachmana litzlan recently.

    WILL WE FINALLY STOP LIVING IN DENIAL AND FACE REALITY AND ACCEPT HASHEMS WAKE UP CALL FOR SERIOUS TESHUVA AND ACHDUS? SO HASHEM CAN FINALLY SEND MASHIACH BKAROV. Hashem blessed all of us with the gift of free-will bechira if we continue to live in denial instead of facing reality then there’s no one to blame but ourselves and we will all be held accountable for not doing teshuva immediately as soon as possible.

    #2307123
    Redleg
    Participant

    Yes

    #2307252
    Reb Eliezer
    Participant

    There are two ways of looking at it. One. thar one who tasted a sin how great they are that one was able to refrain from it. Or two, it might be easier to do a sin again once one tasted its flavor before.

    #2307287
    Kuvult
    Participant

    I think it depends on the community.
    I’m from a large Frum community where Baalei Teshuva are treated like everyone else.
    The main community school (with well over 1,000 students) has “Grandparents Day” watch the videos. Many Zaidys have black hats & beards & some are Chasidish but there’s also plenty of “Kippot Serugot” & men wearing yarmulkes they obviously pulled out of the drawer & dusted off for this occasion. There have also been (a few) Zaidys that wore NO head covering at all.
    Many Bubbys (almost all amongst the younger Bubbys) cover their hair, many do not. Long Sheitels, Short Sheitels, hats or not covered dyed bright red hair is irrelevant. Very rare but a few Bubbys show up wearing pants.
    No one cares & all are welcome.
    It’s really how the Kehilla is taught by the Rabbanim about how to treat & accept Baalei Teshuva. From what I understand in many communities they would not be ok with what I described above. But B’H there’s a certain open mindedness & tolerance where I’m from where (almost) everyone is accepting of other Jews even those from very differently backgrounds & ways of practicing Yiddishkeit.

    #2307300
    Emunas1
    Participant

    There is a wide variety among contemporary baalei teshuva regarding how integrated into the community they are. This is an important factor to consider when considering shidduchim. As a baal teshuva with kids at that age, I fully expected to have a big problem. But the RBS”O had other plans, B”H.

    It should be noted that in many cases, baalei teshuva are best married to other baalei teshuva because of significant cultural differences.

    I agree with you regarding the true definition of a baal teshuva. I’m still working on it. But we don’t appreciate the spiritual travesty of our generation. In prior generations, we didn’t have the problem we have nowadays, so there was no need for such a term.

    #2307331
    1
    Participant

    The whole BT thing is a misnomer. Someone who didn’t know better and then took on mitzvos after learning more is just a Yid who grew. Someone who was born religious and then went down and sinned and then repents is the real definition of a BT.

    #2307903
    MRS PLONY
    Participant

    I’m BT and I’m not ashamed to admit it.
    Y’know what? I became frum because the Torah is true. Not because I was looking for honor. Not because I was looking for a shidduch. Not because the food is so good and the clothes are so cute.
    I’m NOT part of the “lowest class” of Judaism, unless you have some really shallow definition of class.

    #2308222
    catch yourself
    Participant

    @MRS PLONY

    You are clearly a first class Jew. כל הכבוד.

    #2310901
    Toi
    Participant

    I didn;t read your whole post. It was too long. I read the beginning of it, and I dunno. I married a bt and no one seems to care, not even suure they know. Most times the bt stigma is because theyre not culturally intigrated. Same thing happens when you drop a real baltimorian who grew up with shabbos sneakers into bmg. people are going to think theyre weird because theyre culturally off, not because the didn’t keep shabbos 20 years ago. Seems like you have a complex

    #2311069
    DovidBT
    Participant

    “Someone who was born religious and then went down and sinned and then repents is the real definition of a BT.”

    What does “born religious” mean?

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