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I highly doubt that there is any basis to assume that Bloomberg’s shiur is in anyway related to ushmartem es nafshosaychem. Or ??????? ??? ????????? for that matter.
Yes, I agree that Bloomberg does not deliberately base his policies on halacha. That does not mean, however, that we should not support his policies when they happen to coincide with halacha.
Got it i misread thank you
I have a Gonne… Does that count?
I have a Gonne… Does that count?
As much as a piecemaker.
I have a pet yennork too (canine, obviously)…
I have a pet yennork too (canine, obviously)…
Goes well with a Barking Dog.
Do you enter your yennork in shows?
No I don’t, though Granny Weatherwax Borrows it sometimes…
Mods: Why when I say that i am going to have a Gun when im older and that my Shul has a gun club do you censor it??? I’m not lying when I say that my shul has one and we are a normal orthodox shul in a smaller jewish community. We are in a state that does have stricter gun laws (Pennsylvania) and yet we still have a gun club. There is nothing wrong about that and I have no idea why you would censor something like that.
I understand all about Gun safety and i believe in stricter background checks but this topic is about jews owning guns and by saying that my shul has a gun club shows that I am ok with it. I did not post anything off topic and there is no reason why you deleted my post. I am even showing how its accepted in my community.
PA has gun laws?! Outside of Philadelphia, there’s even open carry without license. Only license for CCW. No permit to purchase/own, no registration, no NFA restriction, strong castle doctrine.
We’re actually considering moving to PA because of that, just need a Jewish community with a Veteran’s Affairs nearby for my wife’s work.
PA has gun laws?! Outside of Philadelphia, there’s even open carry without license. Only license for CCW. No permit to purchase/own, no registration, no NFA restriction, strong castle doctrine.
We’re actually considering moving to PA because of that, just need a Jewish community with a Veteran’s Affairs nearby for my wife’s work.
There’s open carry without a license and there’s NO local preemption. You do need a CCW to carry in Philly or in a vehicle.
However, the police do keep a record of gun sales which was found legal since it’s not a “registry.”
As for a VA, there’s a VA in Philly so you can move to the “Philly” Jewish area, whether it’s in Philly proper or right over the border, which will be more friendly for your open carry.
Definitely don’t want Philly proper.
I have a friend from Scranton but no VA nearby.
And Texas is looking more and more liberal by the day and no open carry…
If you cross the border of Philly, you are in Montgomery County. So you can open carry there. Thati s also where the bulk of the Jewish community lives, either in Bala Cynwyd or Merion Station.
The income tax is also lower since you don’t pay Philly income tax,.
Interesting. Those are actually very close to VA according Google Maps. Will have to look into this. Thanks for the info.
Homes are expensive though
Vermont has essentially no gun laws. You can concealed or open carry anywhere except a school, a courthouse, or a federal building. And there are a huge number of places that sell firearms, places you would never expect including computer stores and clothing stores. Just pass the federal background check before buying a handgun, and don’t even think about taking the firearm you buy in Vermont back to NY before getting the right permit.
You can move to Pittsburgh… and PA has very good background checks.
Re: Toi’s comment about me or my comment: I am neither joking nor clueless. I noted that gun crime – which for purposes of this discussion does not include acts of terror, like blowing up or shooting up occupied restaurants, buses or other public gathering places – is a smaller problem in Israel compared to the US. I’m not sure why, and I’m not familiar with Israeli gun laws, though another poster (charliehall) said they are stricter than New York’s. And you suggest that some Israelis “would go bonkers on the palis” in the absence of the rule of law. I’m guessing that to “go bonkers on the palis” means to kill Palestinians in a reckless and wanton killing spree that denies their humanity or relationship to Avraham Avinu. But, as you say, Israeli law seems to discourage your acquaintances from wanton acts of murder, so I guess you recognize that laws sometimes work at controlling behavior.
And to all you folks invoking gun confiscation as a threat to Jews (or anybody else), please note that no major or minor politician in the US is proposing gun confiscation – not Obama, not Bloomberg, not anyone – they just want to keep guns away from crazy people and known criminals.
First off, if you really believe Obama’s and Bloomberg’s ultimate goal isn’t the complete disarmament of the American people, then I have an unregulated spy network to sell you. Dianne Feinstein (has a Jewish father) has said as much and uses every opportunity to seize as many gun rights as she possibly can. We’re already serfs. If they take our guns, we’ll be slaves.
North Carolina has the castle doctrine, open carry, no registration, and is a shall-issue concealed permit state. Somehow, we refrain from massacring each other down here.
nfgo3, gun confiscation was proposed in NY during passing of unSAFE and after it was proposed in at least 3 other states.
No gun laws would keep guns away from criminals as they don’t buy guns in stores. As for crazy people, first of all, it amounts to less than 1 percent, most of them did not get their guns legally and background check sorta works only on those who were forcibly hospitalized.
Most gun laws target, specifically, women and safety. NJ banned the specifically safe ammo which would not ricochet, go through walls, or go through a target and hit someone standing behind.
Unless, of course, you believe that Biden has any idea what he’s talking about and that a .223 would go through several walls and kill your children while a 12ga 00 or slug would safely bounce off a wall if you miss.
nfgo3- you are clearly uninformed about the way it goes down in israel.
“Somehow, we refrain from massacring each other down here.”
North Carolina’s homicide rate is 25% higher than that of New York.
“No gun laws would keep guns away from criminals as they don’t buy guns in stores.”
Of course not. They can buy them privately with no background check almost everywhere in the US.
North Carolina’s homicide rate is 25% higher than that of New York.
The police in North Carolina don’t randomly frisk racial minorities who they have no other reason to suspect of being criminals.
Also, I am sure they spend less per capita on police; they have less money there.
NC crime rate is .05 for a pop of 9.6M. NY crime rate is .04 for a pop of 19.4M. Except, it’s actually much higher considering that close to 70% is in NYC where the strict gun laws are. And as popa_bar_abba said, NYC spends immense amount of money on NYPD.
“They can buy them privately with no background check almost everywhere in the US.”
Are you serious? Do you actually know how much guns cost in stores vs getting Chinese knock offs from Red Hook in Brooklyn? And you do know that guns and ammo are on a huge backorder right now, especially around NY.
This whole private sale claim has been disproven many times. Stop quoting liberal propaganda.
“I am sure they spend less per capita on police”
Conservatives sometimes forget that government can save lives.
“lose to 70% is in NYC”
Wrong. NYC has 8.2 million of NY State’s 19.4 million people. Or is arithmetic “liberal propganda”?
“This whole private sale claim has been disproven many times.”
No, it hasn’t. In most of the US, anyone can buy any firearm through a private sale without a background check. That is the law. The NRA thinks that convicted felons, persons who are dangerously mentally ill, and terrorist wannabes ought to be able to amass unlimited arsenals without the government know about it.
Or are you one of the crazies who thinks that the US government is more dangerous than Al Qaeda?
I see you have issues with reading comprehension. All of NC has 9.6M and a crime rate of .05. All of NY has 19.4M and a crime rate of .04. Of the total homicides in NY, 70% were in NYC, the home of the 2nd worse gun laws.
Are you one of the crazies who think criminals will pay price for American made guns instead of buying them off the ship?
You seriously think gangbangers pay 1k~2k for their guns?
Dangerously mentally ill? Virginia tech was much worse because idiot administration sent students back before the gunman was caught. Aurora shooting was known about for a week in advance but nobody listened to the shooter’s shrink. Sandy Hook shooter did not use his own guns.
“I am sure they spend less per capita on police”
Conservatives sometimes forget that government can save lives.
That is not an intellectually honest point. The debate between conservatives and liberals does not concern spending for police, parks, highways, or electrcity grids. It concerns spending for food stamps, section 8, medicaid, obamacare, obamaphones (“I vote for obama because he gives us cell phones”), etc. It concerns the main purpose of the tax code which according to all tax academics is to redistribute wealth.
So don’t condescend us. Don’t lecture us about spending for roads and policemen.
dabeen, that’s not 100% true.
To buy from a licensed dealer, even at a gun show, you need a background check. Only if you buy from an individual does it depend on the state.
CharlieHall:
“The Nazis didn’t confiscate any guns in Germany. The Weimar government had banned guns in 1919, before the Nazi party even existed. The Nazis actually relaxed Germany’s gun laws so that their thugs could terrorize people legally. “
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